stech81
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I'm sorry did you run away from home at an early age.My parents are mutt fans and they both really like Key and told me they hoped he got the job for my sake as a fan lol
I'm sorry did you run away from home at an early age.My parents are mutt fans and they both really like Key and told me they hoped he got the job for my sake as a fan lol
While I get this train of thought, how many examples are there of guys who were successful at school x and y but then fail at z. Success doesn't always translate for a myriad of reasons. If this process were linear, the process of hiring would be simple.Of course you can be realistically confident that a coach with a proven record of success at multiple programs would have better than a coach with no record of success. That is nonsensical to suggest otherwise.
As a high school teacher I have found that most people do not have whatever it takes to overcome a bad start in life. Apparently BGW21 has that rarest of traits that allowed him to NOT be defined by his circumstances. Kudos to this young man. He will go far in life with that mindset.I'm sorry did you run away from home at an early age.
The top companies usually hire a CEO who has experienced failure at least once. They tend not to panic, work the problem and may even have learned and adapted from the experience. People who never experience a setback often freak out under adversity.While I get this train of thought, how many examples are there of guys who were successful at school x and y but then fail at z. Success doesn't always translate for a myriad of reasons. If this process were linear, the process of hiring would be simple.
We sure don't need to have another coaches buyout right now. We still have Collins on the books and any other coach rather than Key would have required a buyout from that contract. Key was the right hire at this time. Not a splash hire but he has proven to be competent and did a turnaround in mid season with another coaches players and staff. He changed the culture of the team very quickly and it is obvious that the players love him as their coach. Next year would likely have been the beginning of a rebuild with a new coach, but Key has already started the rebuild this year. I am already planning to come to the first game next year.I think that the handful of people who are angry at the hire don't understand budgets and constraints and are therefore directing their ire at Key as the scapegoat. If we should be angry with anyone, it's the previous administrations, both at the school level and the department level (GTAA) that have led us to our current position. I can and would understand and support those feelings. But given our financial realities, I could not be happier with this decision. I hope Key succeeds to the level that he is both wanted by the unlimited budget schools but we can then afford to keep him as well.
Agree, but man, outside of Gibbs last year, we need to try and find a way to keep him. Kid is a ball player and a difference maker on the O, Brent needs to tell him he's going to get the rock alot more with a new OC.I would hope that McCollum would reconsider now that Key has been selected but there may be more factors than just a head coach change. His decision may not even be related to football. These kids have a life outside being a football player. I do hope he decides to stay.
I never said anything about being absolutely certain that other coaches would be better. I said reasonably confident. Do you agree one can be reasonably confident that a coach with a proven record of success at multiple programs would be better than a coach with no record of success as a head coach anywhere?While I get this train of thought, how many examples are there of guys who were successful at school x and y but then fail at z. Success doesn't always translate for a myriad of reasons. If this process were linear, the process of hiring would be simple.
Analogy:Of course you can be realistically confident that a coach with a proven record of success at multiple programs would have better than a coach with no record of success. That is nonsensical to suggest otherwise.
Key is our head coach and I support him unconditionally, but it is not outlandish to believe that other coaches with records of success might have been better. Just because there is value in Key does not mean we could not have obtained greater value in another coach.
Thacker came with Collins from Temple. He was a one year DC there before he came to GT. He was LB position coach before. My complaint with Thacker has always been he was not ready to be a DC at the P5 level. Once he got the Collins leash off, he definitely had better performance this year. The secondary was better under Tillman and White made a huge difference in pass rushing. Not sure if it was Thacker as much as the players we were able to put on the field.Honestly, just think had Weinke, Long or thacker had been hired originally as next in line after Collins left, we probably wouldn't end up with Key as HC.
I never said anything about being absolutely certain that other coaches would be better. I said reasonably confident. Do you agree one can be reasonably confident that a coach with a proven record of success at multiple programs would be better than a coach with no record of success as a head coach anywhere?
Nah.Analogy:
You have been eating your mom's banana pudding for years and it's always been good, so you will assume it's better than the pudding you have never tasted? That is a false tautology.
Its a DIY project.Why can't I buy short-sleeve hoodies on the website?
Why can't I buy short-sleeve hoodies on the website?
Why can't I buy short-sleeve hoodies on the website?
What is success/failure rate of successful head coaches that move up a level vs those that have never been a successful head coach anywhere.Actually, I don't even think it's that simple. There are far more ex-coaches that got fired than there are active and retired successful coaches. Most of those ex-coaches had a proven record of success somewhere that got them hired, but that didn't translate to the new job. FWIW, I think Fritz would have done well here. I think Key will be the better coach long term though, and I am glad he's on our sideline.
What is success/failure rate of successful head coaches that move up a level vs those that have never been a successful head coach anywhere.
Again, is it crazy to suggest that one could be reasonably confident that a coach that has been successful at multiple programs would be better than a coach with no record of success at any program?