TFP convinced TStan that since it would take a long time with ups and downs, he needed to make the contract iron clad.People keep talking about incompetence. Collins was the wrong coach.
Stansbury wasn’t in a weak bargaining position. The contract was expensive on purpose.
When Cortes prepared to fight Montezuma, he burned his ships so his soldiers couldn’t run away. They were committed to fight because they had no other options.
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The contract was on purpose. It locked us into Collins. There were no escape clauses for a reason—so Collins couldn’t get fired. So he would have time to execute his plan for seven years—or close to it.
When people say “why didn’t our board or staff do these typical things to give us a way to get rid of Collins?”, they miss the entire point—we were never supposed to get rid of Collins. It was on purpose.
if you ask why there weren’t normal “outs”, it’s because they weren’t supposed to be there.
It’s simple
He absolutely had the leverage, which is why he got seven years and no claw back.This isn't my area of practice, but I thought "a claw back " provision was pretty much the standard in the industry. Coach Collins certainly didn't have the leverage to omit this from the contract. This is absolutely pathetic- any lawyer advising Tech would have told our AD that the way things ended was certainly foreseeable. Unfortunately, this will probably cost Tech between 2-3 million dollars.
Not TFP. Everyone was saying that. TStan wasn’t hoodwinked.TFP convinced TStan that since it would take a long time with ups and downs, he needed to make the contract iron clad.
(Notice the New Prez was totally involved in Batt AND KEY WAS HIRED.).
THE FORMER PREZ WAS. AWOL.
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Not TFP. Everyone was saying that. TStan wasn’t hoodwinked.
People saw what happened at Ga Southern, where they brought in Van Gorder to get rid of Johnson’s flex option. Southern got rid of Van Gorder after one year, then Hatcher, then back to the flex option. The boosters and execs wanted to make sure the fans didn’t get cold feet and scream for us to go back to the “triple option” the way that Ga Southern did. So, they went all in on Collins and locked him in.
The contract was so we’d never go back to the triple option. Not because Collins was glib.
While we were in the stands enjoying the game, big boosters who felt like CPJ didn’t play big boy football wanted to make sure it went away forever. Collins was just a means to an end.
Was reading this thread waiting for someone to say this. I never saw any evidence that Collins could build a defense or a program. As you point out, he usually followed good coaches or came into established programs. And usually left them a little worse for the wear.What I’ve heard is that until he got to Tech he had a habit of taking jobs that good coaches had left and riding the coattails of his predecessors to give the impression that he was good at his job. It makes sense. Look at his predecessors at those jobs: Manny Diaz at Mississippi State (and except for his last year there, he was working with Manny’s co-DC, allowing for easy continuity) and Muschamp/Durkin at Florida. Even at Temple he got to follow Matt Rhule, who was the most successful coach in school history.
There is a lot of truth to this. I do think Collins was aware of the situation and used that leverage to his advantage in negotiating his contract. But the desire to move away from CPJ's offense locked us into fewer options and set us on a course for disaster.Not TFP. Everyone was saying that. TStan wasn’t hoodwinked.
People saw what happened at Ga Southern, where they brought in Van Gorder to get rid of Johnson’s flex option. Southern got rid of Van Gorder after one year, then Hatcher, then back to the flex option. The boosters and execs wanted to make sure the fans didn’t get cold feet and scream for us to go back to the “triple option” the way that Ga Southern did. So, they went all in on Collins and locked him in.
The contract was so we’d never go back to the triple option. Not because Collins was glib.
While we were in the stands enjoying the game, big boosters who felt like CPJ didn’t play big boy football wanted to make sure it went away forever. Collins was just a means to an end.
Conventional wisdom says he was a good defensive coach. I was never convinced. I predict UNC will not see any improvement in its defense.TFG was a very good DC before becoming a HC. I get it...we can't stand him because of the damage he did here, but he led some good defenses at several schools.
Having a strong HC like Mack Brown should help to keep TFG reined in.
Be that as it may…This isn't my area of practice, but I thought "a claw back " provision was pretty much the standard in the industry. Coach Collins certainly didn't have the leverage to omit this from the contract. This is absolutely pathetic- any lawyer advising Tech would have told our AD that the way things ended was certainly foreseeable. Unfortunately, this will probably cost Tech between 2-3 million dollars.
And sometimes stop bashing a former coach is better than spewing hate against the guy. He was a bad HC at GT. It happens. Time to let it go.I respect that he played for him, but sometimes you have to look at the entire picture…
I think many Tech fans were frustrated with TFG, but were glad to just let him walk away…I respect that he played for him, but sometimes you have to look at the entire picture…
This.I think many Tech fans were frustrated with TFG, but were glad to just let him walk away…
…until he started trying to drag us through the dirt on Twitter every chance he got, like a 14 year-old middle school girl who got dumped by her boyfriend. It was not a good look. (That, and making a point to publicly buddy up to our rivals. Followed by supposedly leaking news of our defensive staff changes to the press, which led to them having to be abruptly pulled off the recruiting trail). It was pretty pathetic, for someone being paid $11M to not coach.
Yeh is definitely not seeing the full picture here.
When you’re dealing with an accomplished General that’s one thing, but dealing with an inexperienced head coach it’s stupid, IMPO.People keep talking about incompetence. Collins was the wrong coach.
Stansbury wasn’t in a weak bargaining position. The contract was expensive on purpose.
When Cortes prepared to fight Montezuma, he burned his ships so his soldiers couldn’t run away. They were committed to fight because they had no other options.
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The contract was on purpose. It locked us into Collins. There were no escape clauses for a reason—so Collins couldn’t get fired. So he would have time to execute his plan for seven years—or close to it.
When people say “why didn’t our board or staff do these typical things to give us a way to get rid of Collins?”, they miss the entire point—we were never supposed to get rid of Collins. It was on purpose.
if you ask why there weren’t normal “outs”, it’s because they weren’t supposed to be there.
It’s simple
I suspect the parameters of the contract had already been thought out for Whisenhunt. He’d have had that contract if the hiring process hadn’t blown up. He was a better fit in a lot of ways—“bring us NFL-style big boy football, and get rid of this high school offense”.There is a lot of truth to this. I do think Collins was aware of the situation and used that leverage to his advantage in negotiating his contract. But the desire to move away from CPJ's offense locked us into fewer options and set us on a course for disaster.
When you’re dealing with an accomplished General that’s one thing, but dealing with an inexperienced head coach it’s stupid, IMPO.