New playoff model

Oldgoldandwhite

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Strength of schedule next year should be number one. But we really don’t know how good any team is at this point. Early season last year, several teams that looked like easy wins came back to bite us. And we saw what happened to LSU, Texas, Penn State, Clemson, and a few others.
 

Root4GT

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There should be no weekly rankings, just an end of season ranking. The whole SOS thing, which is hard to get right any time, is completely ludicrous before the full cake is baked. Some schedules are front loaded, some are back loaded, and some are evenly distributed. And don’t get me started again on how “preseason rankings” (how can you even do that?) bias the SOS.
Conor Mckenna Fah GIF by Foil Arms and Hog

Too much money involver to ever do either.
 

billga99

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Conor Mckenna Fah GIF by Foil Arms and Hog

Too much money involver to ever do either.
I agree but it would certainly be nice to not have ratings until the College Football playoffs come out in October. You have such a disadvantage to all of the SEC and B10 schools who also get loaded in the preseason Top 25. 12 of the Top 25 AP preseason rankings were not ranked at the end of the season. As usual, the SEC was over rated which they always are. And the only reason the Top Ten looks ok for the SEC is they have Alabama ranked 9 with 4 losses...what a joke. The next 4 loss team is ranked 17.
ConferencePreseason Top 10Final Top 10Preseason Top 25Final Top 25
SEC44107
B103366
B120145
ACC2132
Grp 6/Ind.1125

Preseason RankTeamFinal RankingsFinal Record
20Indiana116-0
10Miami213-3
21Ole Miss313-2
7Oregon413-2
3Ohio State512-2
5Georgia612-2
24Texas Tech712-2
19Texas A&M811-2
8Alabama911-4
6Notre Dame1010-2
NRBYU1112-2
1Texas1210-3
18Oklahoma1310-3
NRUtah1411-2
NRVanderbilt1510-3
NRVirginia1611-3
NRIowa179-4
NRTulane1811-3
NRJames Madison1912-2
NRUSC209-4
14Michigan219-4
NRHouston2210-3
NRNavy2311-2
NRNorth Texas2412-2
NRTCU259-4
2Penn StateNR
4ClemsonNR
9LSUNR
11Arizona StateNR
12IllinoisNR
13South CarolinaNR
15FloridaNR
16SMUNR
17Kansas St.NR
22Iowa StateNR
23TennesseNR
25Boise StateNR
 

GT33

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Strength of schedule next year should be number one. But we really don’t know how good any team is at this point. Early season last year, several teams that looked like easy wins came back to bite us. And we saw what happened to LSU, Texas, Penn State, Clemson, and a few others.
Whose strength of schedule? Would we use the same people that picked 5 Sec Teams in the playoffs, picked JMU & Tulane to be in yet screwed BYU and ND? 60% of the expert's bracket was total BS but we'd let those same "strength of Sec schedule" people to pick again?

Sec has what, a .250 winning percentage in playoff games where they play someone besides themselves? Their darling mutts are winless, Bama's not won a playoff game.
 

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I agree but it would certainly be nice to not have ratings until the College Football playoffs come out in October. You have such a disadvantage to all of the SEC and B10 schools who also get loaded in the preseason Top 25. 12 of the Top 25 AP preseason rankings were not ranked at the end of the season. As usual, the SEC was over rated which they always are. And the only reason the Top Ten looks ok for the SEC is they have Alabama ranked 9 with 4 losses...what a joke. The next 4 loss team is ranked 17.
ConferencePreseason Top 10Final Top 10Preseason Top 25Final Top 25
SEC44107
B103366
B120145
ACC2132
Grp 6/Ind.1125

Preseason RankTeamFinal RankingsFinal Record
20Indiana116-0
10Miami213-3
21Ole Miss313-2
7Oregon413-2
3Ohio State512-2
5Georgia612-2
24Texas Tech712-2
19Texas A&M811-2
8Alabama911-4
6Notre Dame1010-2
NRBYU1112-2
1Texas1210-3
18Oklahoma1310-3
NRUtah1411-2
NRVanderbilt1510-3
NRVirginia1611-3
NRIowa179-4
NRTulane1811-3
NRJames Madison1912-2
NRUSC209-4
14Michigan219-4
NRHouston2210-3
NRNavy2311-2
NRNorth Texas2412-2
NRTCU259-4
2Penn StateNR
4ClemsonNR
9LSUNR
11Arizona StateNR
12IllinoisNR
13South CarolinaNR
15FloridaNR
16SMUNR
17Kansas St.NR
22Iowa StateNR
23TennesseNR
25Boise StateNR
GT should be ranked ahead of 4-5 of those teams at the bottom of that list.
 

bke1984

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Strength of schedule next year should be number one. But we really don’t know how good any team is at this point. Early season last year, several teams that looked like easy wins came back to bite us. And we saw what happened to LSU, Texas, Penn State, Clemson, and a few others.
I may be in the minority here, but I think SOS is a horrible metric. How can you determine the best teams by using a metric that is defined by who played the best teams?
 

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I may be in the minority here, but I think SOS is a horrible metric. How can you determine the best teams by using a metric that is defined by who played the best teams?
You’re not alone. SOS is based on perception that is ultimately based on pre-season polls which is also called “gossip” or “personal opinion”. No sport other than D1 college football operates on a bed of gossip to start a season. And “best team” is a myth until January yet we are already being told in February that teams like Miami, Ohio St, and UGA are the best for a season 7 months away. It’s just bizzaro world and fans are lemmings who take part. All we can do is continue with the charade until the playoffs expand and we get auto bids like every other sport. At which point all that will matter is achieving a bid. The polls and SOS will then simply go away because if you are the 3rd place team in the BIG South Division no one will care about SOS just like no one cares in other sports.
 

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I may be in the minority here, but I think SOS is a horrible metric. How can you determine the best teams by using a metric that is defined by who played the best teams?
Thank you! IMPO, SoS is largely a fool’s errand using HtH as it is inherently circular. Perhaps if you perhaps use efficiency metrics apart from HtH you can approximate a valid and reliable result. However, efficiency metrics seem to me to have a lot of built in noise due to the number of variables involved. How many variables does offensive efficiency include, or latent variables missed? It’s one thing to crank out numbers to evaluate a team’s performance, but to choose between teams for the CFP? I dunno.
 

Richard7125

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It’s funny how Tech fans complain about how hard their schedule is compared to others when they have to play UGA, Clemson, ND, and Miami in the same year.
 

Oldgoldandwhite

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Speaking of absurd

11-1 at least. Take away the ACC games and they would have a hard time filling out a schedule. Especially late in the season as conferences heat up. November 7 is the game to watch. Pencil it in as Gameday.
 

GT1990CHAMPS

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11-1 at least. Take away the ACC games and they would have a hard time filling out a schedule. Especially late in the season as conferences heat up. November 7 is the game to watch. Pencil it in as Gameday.
Does anyone know how long the inbred relationship is contractually with ND and the ACC
 

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Does anyone know how long the inbred relationship is contractually with ND and the ACC
I think they signed on for the GOR which admittedly doesn't mean much anymore..so was 2036. However they are obviously looking to have more control over which 5 ACC opponents they have scheduled in the future. https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-acc-partnership-changes With viewership being so important, this would definitely be an advantage for Miami, Clemson and FSU. However other than the 12 year Clemson/Notre Dame arrangement, I haven't heard anything else. It has also not been established that the Clemson/Notre Dame schedule would be considered one of the five ACC opponents Notre Dame is supposed to schedule each year.

As of now, here is what is scheduled for Notre Dame against ACC opponents:
2026 - @NC, Stanford, Miami, Boston College, SMU, @Syracuse.
2027 - GT, Wake, VT, @Clemson (3 open spots overall on their schedule)
2028 - @VT, Clemson, Boston College, MIami, @Pitt
2029 - GT, @NC State, @FSU, @Syracuse, Wake, @Clemson

6 games against ACC in 2030, 6 in 2031, 6 in 2032 (@GT is one), 6 in 2033, 5 in 2034, 6 in 2035, 6 in 2036 (@GT is one), 5 in 2037, 1 in 2038 (Clemson)
So it looks like they have 5 games when Clemson was part of the regular rotation and added a 6th game for Clemson in years they weren't part of the standard rotation. Since all of these games are already scheduled out, not sure what happens if teams leave the ACC or Notre Dame opts out of the ACC agreement. Interesting we are at Notre Dame in 2027 and 2029 but they are not at GT until 2032 and 2036. Definitely got screwed on that since home and home should have put one of the at Notre Games at Georgia Tech in 2027 or 2029 (likely 2029 since they played here in 2024).
 

GT1990CHAMPS

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I think they signed on for the GOR which admittedly doesn't mean much anymore..so was 2036. However they are obviously looking to have more control over which 5 ACC opponents they have scheduled in the future. https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-acc-partnership-changes With viewership being so important, this would definitely be an advantage for Miami, Clemson and FSU. However other than the 12 year Clemson/Notre Dame arrangement, I haven't heard anything else. It has also not been established that the Clemson/Notre Dame schedule would be considered one of the five ACC opponents Notre Dame is supposed to schedule each year.

As of now, here is what is scheduled for Notre Dame against ACC opponents:
2026 - @NC, Stanford, Miami, Boston College, SMU, @Syracuse.
2027 - GT, Wake, VT, @Clemson (3 open spots overall on their schedule)
2028 - @VT, Clemson, Boston College, MIami, @Pitt
2029 - GT, @NC State, @FSU, @Syracuse, Wake, @Clemson

6 games against ACC in 2030, 6 in 2031, 6 in 2032 (@GT is one), 6 in 2033, 5 in 2034, 6 in 2035, 6 in 2036 (@GT is one), 5 in 2037, 1 in 2038 (Clemson)
So it looks like they have 5 games when Clemson was part of the regular rotation and added a 6th game for Clemson in years they weren't part of the standard rotation. Since all of these games are already scheduled out, not sure what happens if teams leave the ACC or Notre Dame opts out of the ACC agreement. Interesting we are at Notre Dame in 2027 and 2029 but they are not at GT until 2032 and 2036. Definitely got screwed on that since home and home should have put one of the at Notre Games at Georgia Tech in 2027 or 2029 (likely 2029 since they played here in 2024).
Thanks for that information Bill!
 
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