New defensive coordinator bring back Jon Tenuta

orientalnc

Helluva Engineer
Retired Staff
Messages
10,164
Location
Oriental, NC
Methinks you misremember. On the whole, Gailey's problem was his offense, not Tenuta's defense.
IIRC, the biggest complaint from fans was his inability to beat uga. For me the big wake up call was the humiliation at the hands of Utah in 2005. Teams with good QBs were trashing our blitzing defense and we were not scoring nearly enough.
 

Northeast Stinger

Helluva Engineer
Messages
11,591
The BC game was also early season, and Ryan was obviously great. Was GT the only team he made look silly. So it’s not any worse an example.

You could look at 2004/5/6 UGA for some late-season defensive gems. 2006 Wake. 2005 Miami.

Why are we dragging the most successful unit of those teams that led to a ton of great wins (and could’ve led to even more if the offensive side of the ball had a shred of imagination)?
Dragging?

I just don’t remember him as the defensive savior others do. Perhaps I’m wrong. But regardless of which historical data either of us cherry pick, I think he would not be a good choice today for DC.
 

Northeast Stinger

Helluva Engineer
Messages
11,591
IIRC, the biggest complaint from fans was his inability to beat uga. For me the big wake up call was the humiliation at the hands of Utah in 2005. Teams with good QBs were trashing our blitzing defense and we were not scoring nearly enough.
2007 was definitely an instructive year. Tenuta’s defense seemed to work best with a comfortable lead but was less effective in close games. If the role of a defense is to keep the other team from scoring more points than your offense then the stat line, whatever it is, means little, if you lose. Going 4-4 in the ACC does not suggest a dominating defense.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,875
IIRC, the biggest complaint from fans was his inability to beat uga. For me the big wake up call was the humiliation at the hands of Utah in 2005. Teams with good QBs were trashing our blitzing defense and we were not scoring nearly enough.
Defense was up and down (yes, against top QB's we had problems like most everybody else) but on the whole, our main problem was the offense, not the defense. Tenuta came on in '02. First year gave up 51 to Ugag, the next 34, then a three-year run of allowing 19, 14, and 15 points which should have been good enough to beat Ugag with a decent offense. Last year Tenuta was here Ugag scored 31. Keep in mind that during that stretch Ugag was ranked coming into the game # 5, 5, 8, 13, unranked, and 6.
Tech's problem by and large was an anemic offense during the Gailey years. During the 6 years Gailey and Tenuta were together, Tech scored a total of 73 points against Ugag, avg. 12 points a game.
 

stinger78

Helluva Engineer
Messages
5,385
Dragging?

I just don’t remember him as the defensive savior others do. Perhaps I’m wrong. But regardless of which historical data either of us cherry pick, I think he would not be a good choice today for DC.
Overall, his D’s performed well but could be beaten by accurate QB’s who could avoid his blitzes. He had 1-2 total meltdowns per season.

2002: L UGAg 51-7
2003: L Clem 39-3, Dook 41-7
2004: L Miami 27-3, UVa 30-10
2005: L VPI 51-7, Utah 38-10
2006: L Clem 31-7
2007: L VPI 27-3
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,875
Overall, his D’s performed well but could be beaten by accurate QB’s who could avoid his blitzes. He had 1-2 total meltdowns per season.

2002: L UGAg 51-7
2003: L Clem 39-3, Dook 41-7
2004: L Miami 27-3, UVa 30-10
2005: L VPI 51-7, Utah 38-10
2006: L Clem 31-7
2007: L VPI 27-3
We can cherry pick back and forth, but I distinctly remember our problems during the Gailey years being on offense much more than defense. Look at the offensive output in those game you listed. We averaged 8 points a game. There were a lot of low-scoring wins during those years, too.
 
Last edited:

Northeast Stinger

Helluva Engineer
Messages
11,591
Overall, his D’s performed well but could be beaten by accurate QB’s who could avoid his blitzes. He had 1-2 total meltdowns per season.

2002: L UGAg 51-7
2003: L Clem 39-3, Dook 41-7
2004: L Miami 27-3, UVa 30-10
2005: L VPI 51-7, Utah 38-10
2006: L Clem 31-7
2007: L VPI 27-3
Yep.

And, in spite of the charge that I’m dragging him, it just seemed obvious to me that his defenses did better with a lead in which you could afford to gamble more. His defenses seemed to do worse when falling behind and never seemed to find a defensive answer once other teams started getting chunk plays.
 

Northeast Stinger

Helluva Engineer
Messages
11,591
Defense was up and down (yes, against top QB's we had problems like most everybody else) but on the whole, our main problem was the offense, not the defense. Tenuta came on in '02. First year gave up 51 to Ugag, the next 34, then a three-year run of allowing 19, 14, and 15 points which should have been good enough to beat Ugag with a decent offense. Last year Tenuta was here Ugag scored 31. Keep in mind that during that stretch Ugag was ranked coming into the game # 5, 5, 8, 13, unranked, and 6.
Tech's problem by and large was an anemic offense during the Gailey years. During the 6 years Gailey and Tenuta were together, Tech scored a total of 73 points against Ugag, avg. 12 points a game.
Those are all good points. And count me among those who finally wanted Gailey gone because of his frustratingly anemic offenses.

But, here’s the thing. Gailey’s whole offensive philosophy was to run the ball, burn clock, play conservative, and not make any mistakes that cost you the game. If that’s the team philosophy it makes zero sense for the defense to operate on a boom or bust mentality. Bend don’t break would have made more sense for Tenuta given the head coach’s proclivities.
 

stinger78

Helluva Engineer
Messages
5,385
We can cherry pick back and forth, but I distinctly remember our problems during the Gailey years being on offense much more than defense. Look at the offensive output in those game you listed. We averaged 8 points a game. There were a lot of low-scoring wins during those years, too.
These aren’t “cherry picked” statistical data. I’m simply supplying the scores of a couple of games a year where CJT’s D got torched. It didn’t happen often, and they were indeed generally better than the O at that time.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,875
Those are all good points. And count me among those who finally wanted Gailey gone because of his frustratingly anemic offenses.

But, here’s the thing. Gailey’s whole offensive philosophy was to run the ball, burn clock, play conservative, and not make any mistakes that cost you the game. If that’s the team philosophy it makes zero sense for the defense to operate on a boom or bust mentality. Bend don’t break would have made more sense for Tenuta given the head coach’s proclivities.
Actually, I thought Tenuta's gambling defense would have been a perfect fit with Paul's ball-control offense. It would have been designed to get the offense back on the field one way or another. A bend-but-don't break defense works counter to that - it keeps the offense off the field.
Gailey's problem was that his "ball-control" offense was too puny to sustain drives and make it work, which makes Tenuta's defense look all the more impressive.
 

stinger78

Helluva Engineer
Messages
5,385
Actually, I thought Tenuta's gambling defense would have been a perfect fit with Paul's ball-control offense. It would have been designed to get the offense back on the field one way or another. A bend-but-don't break defense works counter to that - it keeps the offense off the field.
Gailey's problem was that his "ball-control" offense was too puny to sustain drives and make it work.
They would have killed each other. Two alpha wolves in the same cage.
 

Techster

Helluva Engineer
Messages
18,465
It's not just that he worked here - he's not Ted Roof. His defenses were the last time Tech had even an above-average D in decades (and they were often well above average).

Probably a lot of posters here who have never in their lifetime seen a good Tech defense that wasn't coached by Tenuta.

As an FYI, Tenuta's last season at GT (2007), our DFEI was #52. 2007 was the first year FEI was listed on BCFtoys website. I'm certain he had better DFEI years than 2007.

As a matter of comparison, Roof's best year as DC at GT under CPJ was #45 DFEI in 2015, followed by #47 in 2017 (his last season at GT). The rest of the time he was in the 50's and 60's.

EDIT:

Just to go further, after Tenuta left GT, these are his DFEI numbers at stops where he was listed as DC:

2009 Notre Dame: #62
2013 UVA: #53
2014 UVA: #18
2015 UVA: #63

Since his DC stint at UVA in 2015, he was never DC at another college stop. For the most part, outside of 2014, Tenuta was pretty average as a DC after he left GT...and his last season at GT was statistically average. The word on Tenuta was he never adjusted to spread offenses, and it made his attacking defensive scheme outdated.
 
Last edited:

Techster

Helluva Engineer
Messages
18,465
An interesting name I'll throw out there: Navy's PJ Volker.

In his first season as Navy's DC, their DFEI was #78, then in 2024, Volker improved Navy's DFEI to #49. Helped Navy to a 10-3 record, and Commander and Chief trophy. Spent time at GA State as a recruiting coordinator and LB coach, so he's familiar with GA and the Southeast...plus, he must have been a good recruiter. He's developed some really good LB during his time, and that's a position GT definitely needs.

We all know the limitations of Navy, so those numbers are actually impressive.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,875
As an FYI, Tenuta's last season at GT (2007), our DFEI was #52. 2007 was the first year FEI was listed on BCFtoys website. I'm certain he had better DFEI years than 2007.

As a matter of comparison, Roof's best year as DC at GT under CPJ was #45 DFEI in 2015, followed by #47 in 2017 (his last season at GT). The rest of the time he was in the 50's and 60's.

EDIT:

Just to go further, after Tenuta left GT, these are his DFEI numbers at stops where he was listed as DC:

2009 Notre Dame: #62
2013 UVA: #53
2014 UVA: #18
2015 UVA: #63

Since his DC stint at UVA in 2015, he was never DC at another college stop. For the most part, outside of 2014, Tenuta was pretty average as a DC after he left GT...and his last season at GT was statistically average. The word on Tenuta was he never adjusted to spread offenses, and it made his attacking defensive scheme outdated.
No question Tenuta's best years were at Tech. Here is the average ppg. given up by Tech during those seasons, according to my calculations. Total points, not just defense:

2002: 21
2003: 20
2004: 18
2005: 19
2006: 13
2007: 21
 

Techster

Helluva Engineer
Messages
18,465
No question Tenuta's best years were at Tech. Here is the average ppg. given up by Tech during those seasons, according to my calculations:

2002: 21
2003: 20
2004: 18
2005: 19
2006: 13
2007: 21

My only caveat with those numbers is the spread offenses weren't as popular as they are now. Most offenses were like Gailey's where it was run first. 2006 was probably his best year, but 2006 was also the year we had a defense loaded with future NFL players (and a certain future wrestling MEGA star).

Tenuta was definitely very good, there's no questioning that.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,875
My only caveat with those numbers is the spread offenses weren't as popular as they are now. Most offenses were like Gailey's where it was run first. 2006 was probably his best year, but 2006 was also the year we had a defense loaded with future NFL players (and a certain future wrestling MEGA star).

Tenuta was definitely very good, there's no questioning that.
Oh, he left his heyday behind at Tech. And no doubt, the game passed him by. But for six years here, he was damned good.
 

AugustaSwarm

Ramblin' Wreck
Messages
977
People always bring up the Matt Ryan game to hold against Tenuta, but every DC has games where they get beat and have no answer for the offense they are facing. Tenuta and his defenses won us a LOT of games.
There are a lot more examples of it, but the BC game stood out because Tenuta never changed anything in that game, despite the fact that it was clear to everyone watching that blitzing the fool out of Ryan wasn't going to rattle him and the blitzes weren't going to get to him in time. It was the final straw for many folks in the fan base - especially the big donors.

I agree that his defense was always a wild card - it was brilliant when it worked, but was dreadful when it didn't. There are games where it was a masterclass on zone blitzing...but those offenses are long gone now and pretty much every team has a mobile QB with some element of RPO and Read Option - both of which are killers for aggressive zone blitz schemes. I enjoyed having Tenuta here, but I'd pass on bringing him back.
 

AugustaSwarm

Ramblin' Wreck
Messages
977
One thing that’s made me happy in recent years is seeing Reggie Ball get warm receptions from GT people a few times. He didn’t always get the greatest treatment from the fanbase at the time but he always left it all on the field and did his best to work some magic plenty of times. Imagine what he could’ve done in a halfway competent offensive scheme…
Agreed. I've always felt like Reggie was given too much blame. He's a super nice guy and didn't deserve the vitriolic disdain that much of the fanbase gave him. He laid it all on the line for GT and after everything he's endured, it's a true testament to his character that he still publicly supports a program that all but turned on him.
 

cpf2001

Helluva Engineer
Messages
1,459
Yep.

And, in spite of the charge that I’m dragging him, it just seemed obvious to me that his defenses did better with a lead in which you could afford to gamble more. His defenses seemed to do worse when falling behind and never seemed to find a defensive answer once other teams started getting chunk plays.
I don’t think that’s accurate - I think all the big upset wins of the Gailey era and many of the “should’ve had them” close losses like UGA were close games where the defense carried the day.

I’m not been rechecking all the scores but I don’t remember any 41-10 blowouts of name brand programs under Gailey or even 41-38 type wins.

There was only one hope for his teams to win: hold the opponent under 20 or so with defense.

2007 overall kinda sucked - by his GT team standards - and was still basically as good as anything we’ve had since.

Offenses weren’t as high powered in general then but on the flip side, our offense was so anemic that other teams got lots of chances to go again and again at our D. A bend and don’t break D for Gailey would’ve caused us to lose more games because it certainly wouldn’t have put more points on the board.

He was very very good at GT for a few years, he never adjusted, he was also a ****, the end.

But don’t forget the good. There was a reason we paid him enough to get referenced in articles like this - https://www.espn.com/college-football/preview07/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2967046

(Imagine if we could financially compete like that today still…)
 
Top