NCAA Allows Players to Get Paid

[Techster]

WTF was I saying earlier about this stuff?! Sure, let's talk about the local HVAC companies and local plumbing companies that the team from "little a" gets to promote. The team from Atlanta and our SAs are gonna eat lobsters and steak with all the opportunities in Atlanta. You know how you can tell something is a good idea? When some GT fans start making excuses why something won't work. Some of our fans really suck at identifying potential opportunities.

Yo, 4 and 5 star recruits. Get that bank account opened, and come get that $$$ playing for GT.

 

[JacketOff]

WTF was I saying earlier about this stuff?! Sure, let's talk about the local HVAC companies and local plumbing companies that the team from "little a" gets to promote. The team from Atlanta and our SAs are gonna eat lobsters and steak with all the opportunities in Atlanta. You know how you can tell something is a good idea? When some GT fans start making excuses why something won't work. Some of our fans really suck at identifying potential opportunities.

Yo, 4 and 5 star recruits. Get that bank account opened, and come get that $$$ playing for GT.

I understand your points, but I’m still very much on the fence about whether or not this will move the needle at all for Tech. Are the exponentially more opportunities for branding in Atlanta than Athens, Clemson, Auburn, Chapel Hill, etc.? Yes. But Tech still doesn’t control the Atlanta market. What would stop somebody like Cypress or Antico’s from throwing up a sign with a Ugag player that says something like, “Deandre Swift and the Dawgs love Cypress when they visit the ATL.” McAfee makes good points about all the large corporations headquartered in Atlanta, but if Tech doesn’t have marketable players, there’s no reason for them to use Tech players in any sort of marketing. Even a huge Tech supporter like Waffle House would more than likely choose to market players from other schools, especially OTP.

If this is going to work in our favor, we desperately need some of these young guys to blossom into stars and turn Tech into a winner. Then guys like the 3 headed monster in the backfield, Simms, Gleason, Brown, Ezzard, Carpenter, and hell even Harvin will become much more marketable.

 

[Buzztheirazz]

McAfee makes good points about all the large corporations headquartered in Atlanta, but if Tech doesn’t have marketable players, there’s no reason for them to use Tech players in any sort of marketing.

I think the point is that we should be able to recruit these more marketable players going into the future.

I think Gowdy was a guy that would’ve been very Marketable in 4 years.

 

[Techster]

I understand your points, but I’m still very much on the fence about whether or not this will move the needle at all for Tech. Are the exponentially more opportunities for branding in Atlanta than Athens, Clemson, Auburn, Chapel Hill, etc.? Yes. But Tech still doesn’t control the Atlanta market. What would stop somebody like Cypress or Antico’s from throwing up a sign with a Ugag player that says something like, “Deandre Swift and the Dawgs love Cypress when they visit the ATL.” McAfee makes good points about all the large corporations headquartered in Atlanta, but if Tech doesn’t have marketable players, there’s no reason for them to use Tech players in any sort of marketing. Even a huge Tech supporter like Waffle House would more than likely choose to market players from other schools, especially OTP.

If this is going to work in our favor, we desperately need some of these young guys to blossom into stars and turn Tech into a winner. Then guys like the 3 headed monster in the backfield, Simms, Gleason, Brown, Ezzard, Carpenter, and hell even Harvin will become much more marketable.

Winning is key...but that's going to be the case with any team. No company wants the starting QB or RB or LB to a rep them if the team has a losing season. Remember when Clemson was "Clemson'ing"? No one cared what they did. Anyone really care about 'Bama before Saban?

If GT can consistently become a top 25 team, and if our players can get into the conversation of being high draft picks or All Americans, they will have their opportunities. Guys like Joe Hamilton and Calvin Johnson, Kenny Anderson and Jarret Jack would have cleaned house when they were spotlight players on very good teams.

 

[Gtbowhunter90]

Regardless of W/L can you sit here and say men the likes of Brandon Adams, Harrison Butker, Juanyeh Thomas etc arent good for marketing? Let Jahmyr Gibbs go off as a freshman and he'll be bigger than any UGA back since Todd Gurley

 

[stech81]

[QUOTE="Techster, post: 714711, member: 360" Anyone really care about 'Bama before Saban?
[/QUOTE]
Yes , do you not know anyone from Alabama ?

 

[Jmonty71]

Winning is key...but that's going to be the case with any team. No company wants the starting QB or RB or LB to a rep them if the team has a losing season. Remember when Clemson was "Clemson'ing"? No one cared what they did. Anyone really care about 'Bama before Saban?

If GT can consistently become a top 25 team, and if our players can get into the conversation of being high draft picks or All Americans, they will have their opportunities. Guys like Joe Hamilton and Calvin Johnson, Kenny Anderson and Jarret Jack would have cleaned house when they were spotlight players on very good teams.

I do agree that winning is a big key. However; GT will make these kids go to class. Some of these kids think of college as a nuisance. They only care about getting paid. So, they go to schools that they know won't actually make them attend class or have someone do their work for them. I think winning will help some.... But, we will not land those just wanting fame and fortune.

 

[ramblin_man]

I really wonder how this will impact the coach vs player relationship. What type of rules can the coach enforce upon then players if it is restricting the players’ opportunities to profit from their name, image, or likeness? For instance practice, study hall, strength training sessions. Coach hands players their schedule and player takes a pen and crosses through it and then hands the coach a itemized list of their appointments around town with their sponsors and their “appearance requests”. If a coach says no then is the coach/school not restraining that players opportunities to receive funds? Then can the player turn around and sue the school/coach for “loss of wages”? Plus will the coaching staffs now have/need to hire lawyers to read/dissect player’s contract agreements to make sure: 1. Players understand what they’re signing/impact (binding after college and into their pro careers?) 2. That it’s not in conflict-violation with something the college has in place with an endorsement agreement. 3. Is a player going to be forced to submit/disclose endorsement agreements, revenue totals, with the college staff they play for? Can the coaching staffs disclosure Sponsorship “net worth” individual incomes to recruits to entice them to pick their college. 4. How will it impact the chemistry of “teamwork” or classroom work when individual players hyper focus on revenue opportunities instead of team/school. 5. Will the players be allowed to hire agencies if a advisor is provided by their school to handle their “business opportunities”? 6. This might perhaps make it more difficult for colleges to stockpile blue chip recruits because they’re going to find themselves with reduced opportunities due to no exposure/playing time. 8. Will college uniforms start looking like individual unique billboards With patches from their sponsors sewn onto their jerseys or 1000 arm bands up/down players arms repoing their sponsors? 9. There may be 1,000’s of “new internet companies” (slush funds) or LLC set up at school made up of boosters who will Pass through/funnel money to players through to represent the imaginary “new company”.

 

[Jmonty71]

One wonders if the next greatest player comes out, if they will be paid more than their own coach. It happens in the pros, often. Likeliness of happening is slim.. But, the possibility is there.

 

[TheSilasSonRising]

Well just no doubt these are uncharted waters.

Wonder if a section of the stadium can sign up a player to rep them? Or a tailgate group? Oh dear Father!

But i still say the government idiots will screw with this thing in some sort of title IX fashion.

 

[Milwaukee]

Game is gonna change completely. “If you come here and turn into the star qb you’ll make a million dollars off the field while you’re here. So and so’s fan base is a fraction of ours so even if you went there and balled out of control you’re still only gonna get 60k based on the metrics”.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Game is gonna change completely. “If you come here and turn into the star qb you’ll make a million dollars off the field while you’re here. So and so’s fan base is a fraction of ours so even if you went there and balled out of control you’re still only gonna get 60k based on the metrics”.

This is why it shouldn't be allowed. UCF is one of the largest schools in the nation, with almost 60k undergraduates. Texas A&M 54K. FIU has almost 50K. tOSU has 47K. Tech has 16K and a much higher non-athletics percentage. Absolute recruiting disadvantage. Stupidest idea ever.

 

[JacketOff]

This is why it shouldn't be allowed. UCF is one of the largest schools in the nation, with almost 60k undergraduates. Texas A&M 54K. FIU has almost 50K. tOSU has 47K. Tech has 16K and a much higher non-athletics percentage. Absolute recruiting disadvantage. Stupidest idea ever.

What does a school’s population have to do with NIL worth?

 

[forensicbuzz]

What does a school’s population have to do with NIL worth?

Look at how the PR firms were assessing potential value.

 

[JacketOff]

Look at how the PR firms were assessing potential value.

And? How many students that attend the school you play for is irrelevant. UCF’s star QB has 65k Instagram followers. 1/5 of what Trevor Lawrence has. If you’re going to make the argument about different schools having different values when it comes to NIL, then it’s about the size of the fan base and the team’s success, not the enrollment.

 

[ChicagobasedJacket]

And? How many students that attend the school you play for is irrelevant. UCF’s star QB has 65k Instagram followers. 1/5 of what Trevor Lawrence has. If you’re going to make the argument about different schools having different values when it comes to NIL, then it’s about the size of the fan base and the team’s success, not the enrollment.

Exactly! NIL may be great for us given our location. Yes, it is possible (likely?) that our relative small enrollment/alumni base to factories e.g., Ohio State, Alabama, etc., is magnified by NIL. But honestly, that’s not going to change under the current system anyway. NIL gives us some hope of potentially leveling the talent playing field because stockpiling 5 stars on the bench probably won’t be as easy.

 

[yeti92]

And? How many students that attend the school you play for is irrelevant. UCF’s star QB has 65k Instagram followers. 1/5 of what Trevor Lawrence has. If you’re going to make the argument about different schools having different values when it comes to NIL, then it’s about the size of the fan base and the team’s success, not the enrollment.

How do you think fanbases are formed?

Tech has far more football tradition and history of winning than UCF, but do any of our players have 65k followers on twitter? Tariq and Juanyeh are about 2500 each. James Graham has less than 1k.

You can compare him to Trevor Lawrence, who is known by literally everybody in the country who has heard of football, but I don't even know UCF's qb's name and he has 65k.

 

[JacketOff]

How do you think fanbases are formed?

Tech has far more football tradition and history of winning than UCF, but do any of our players have 65k followers on twitter? Tariq and Juanyeh are about 2500 each. James Graham has less than 1k.

You can compare him to Trevor Lawrence, who is known by literally everybody in the country who has heard of football, but I don't even know UCF's qb's name and he has 65k.

McKenzie Milton was the QB of UCF’s “national championship” team in 2017, and finished 8th in Heisman voting. He won 22 straight games at UCF, and his injury cost UCF a chance at a 2nd “national championship” in 2018. His social media following has very little, to nothing, to do with his school’s enrollment. And even given the large enrollment, is still a fraction of the following of what stars at schools with larger fan bases have. His following is smaller than UCF’s enrollment, while Trevor Lawrence’s is over 20 times Clemson’s enrollment. Ohio State is a larger school than Clemson, so why doesn’t Justin Fields have more combined follower than Lawrence? Liberty University has 110 THOUSAND students. Their QB from last year (who had pretty decent stats, mind you) has 3,500 Instagram followers. You brought in Juanyeh and Co.’s twitter followers when I’m talking about Instagram. Instagram almost always has more followers. And for the record Jahmyr Gibbs has 12k Instagram followers, and hasn’t even played a down in college.

The size of the school does not matter. The largest factors are: 1) Success in the national spotlight, and 2) Fanbase size. And larger schools ≠ larger fan base.

 

[g0lftime]

Can a former US Amateur golf champion promote golf equipment and get paid. Stafaci will still be in school next year. I think we are all focusing on FB and men's BB for recruiting but other sports may be in play as well. Golf (and tennis) tend to get the country club kids who want to play on good courses with other great players. They may as well get some of the dough too if they create a brand. Success breeds success.

 

[forensicbuzz]

And? How many students that attend the school you play for is irrelevant. UCF’s star QB has 65k Instagram followers. 1/5 of what Trevor Lawrence has. If you’re going to make the argument about different schools having different values when it comes to NIL, then it’s about the size of the fan base and the team’s success, not the enrollment.

You watch. It's going to become a way for fans and alumni to have a direct effect on their school's ability to recruit top talent. You're going to see campaigns recruiting alum and fans to start following their players so they can raise their NIL potential. Big schools with active alumni and huge fanbases are going to have a huge advantage. There are going to be other factors, but this is going to change the landscape of college football. And yes, I'm equating large alumni bases with large fandoms.