Military Bowl: Pitt vs Navy

[Boomergump]

So are u saying our system is so complicated that it only works every 3 or 4 years?
Suffer till they are all seniors is not a sellable plan.

There is no rule that says you have to start the same guys for 4 years, resulting in seniors playing once evey 4 years. It is possible to have an experienced team pretty much every year. In fact, I would say it is the plan for most programs. You need to work your way up the depth chart and earn a chance to play. In a perfect world, you would be starting 80% seniors every year. The only problem is the world ain't perfect, stuff happens.

Watching NAVY execute yesterday just showed the importance of experience in our offense and having a great QB. The execution was brilliant and the effort was even better. They were a full step quicker getting to the edge on the toss sweeps and the midline was noticeably more crisp.

 

[GTRX7]

Like I have mentioned many times before. Navy runs the option way more efficiently then we do. I don't know exactly why that is, but it has been that way for a few years now. They take much less time to develop plays then we do.

Also, several of PJs coaching tree have taken the 3O and have kept a lot of the base concepts, but have expanded on it and made it more versatile. (Mix in power I, shotgun, TIght end) like others mentioned maybe a two point stance here and there to help with pass pro. for those that seem to think that makes too predictable, look at our pass plays from a 3 point stance and see how terrible the blocking is anyway when it's not expected a pass play. I wish this is something PJ would at least attempt to do. He doesn't have to completely change the offense, but why not let JT run a few plays with shotgun/zone read option. I think JT would be a lot more effective if he had more space and time to read the defense and make a decision. Just look at his HS film where he is almost exclusively out of the shotgun and runs zone/read.

I like the 3O, and I don't think we should totally go away from it but in year 9 I think we can start to mix some things up. Watching this past years offense was one of the most painful things I've ever had to bare.

Don't experience and expanding the offense sort of go hand and hand? IIRC, due to inexperience, we couldn't even consistently run the full gammit of plays we ran last year, let alone expanding and experimenting with additional unique formations with so many freshman/backups starting.

 

[65Jacket]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic...so I'll answer your Q as if you're really asking.

Navy lined up in the "I" quite a few times with a full fledged "Fullback".

Thanks.

 

[iceeater1969]

There is no rule that says you have to start the same guys for 4 years, resulting in seniors playing once evey 4 years. It is possible to have an experienced team pretty much every year. In fact, I would say it is the plan for most programs. You need to work your way up the depth chart and earn a chance to play. In a perfect world, you would be starting 80% seniors every year. The only problem is the world ain't

Watching NAVY execute yesterday just showed the importance of experience in our offense and having a great QB. The execution was brilliant and the effort was even better. They were a full step quicker getting to the edge on the toss sweeps and the midline was noticeably more crisp.

80 percent seniors ?? Sounds way high. How would that work? Unless u add a disciplined substitution policy we would have little game experience at start each year.

 

[JorgeJonas]

So are u saying our system is so complicated that it only works every 3 or 4 years?
Suffer till they are all seniors is not a sellable plan. Suffer till 7-8 are seniors not a good plan either ( sucks to be unluckly recruited in wrong year).

We need to win while rotating out 3-4 players a year.

The hope is with much better athletes and coaches and facilities gt can be a superior team. Not to hope to beat Pittsburgh. Hope to beat uga, CLEMSON, etc on semi frequent basis.
Its not how good navy looked. Its how bad we looked.
We can do it next year IMO.

Yeah, you missed the point entirely. The system isn't terribly complicated, but execution must be precise. That takes time. The larger issue, I think, is that the world we live in means we recruit mostly three star players. Those guys can compete, but they usually aren't physically ready when they're 18 or 19 years old. Instead, they hit their peak around 21 or 22, when they're more filled out and can hang with the kids who may have been better two or three years ago. The issues with class separation have been beaten to death, but if you want to take a few more punches on that horse, be my guest.

Good news for you, though! We do beat UGA and Clemson on semi-frequent basis.

 

[JorgeJonas]

Watching this past years offense was one of the most painful things I've ever had to bare.

I can only be jealous of how easy your life has been.

 

[RonJohn]

Like I have mentioned many times before. Navy runs the option way more efficiently then we do. I don't know exactly why that is, but it has been that way for a few years now. They take much less time to develop plays then we do.

The GT offense in 2014 was the most efficient offense ever measured in the history of the efficiency measurement. I don't see how you concluded that for a few years Navy has been more efficient.

 

[Skeptic]

Love the balance Navy is showing. They have a TE.

Sometimes, not often. But yes, sometimes.

 

[Skeptic]

If CPJ would ever cede play calling duties...Jasper could be Assistant HC/QBs & BBs coach/OC with the understanding he would be HC.

Of course, those arrangements usually don't turn out well.

It was interesting GA Southern didn't make a run at Jasper.

Do we know if they, or he, had any interest? The guy has in my opinion the most fertile offensive mind since a guy named Paul Johnson created the offense. I saw a couple of plays yesterday I am betting Paul Johnson steals next season, both off the option or counter option. Very clever.

 

[AE 87]

Navy and GT both played Tulane this year when healthy. Some here need some perspective, imo.

 

[iceeater1969]

Yeah, you missed the point entirely. The system isn't terribly complicated, but execution must be precise. That takes time. The larger issue, I think, is that the world we live in means we recruit mostly three star players. Those guys can compete, but they usually aren't physically ready when they're 18 or 19 years old. Instead, they hit their peak around 21 or 22, when they're more filled out and can hang with the kids who may have been better two or three years ago. The issues with class separation have been beaten to death, but if you want to take a few more punches on that horse, be my guest.

Good news for you, though! We do beat UGA and Clemson on semi-frequent basis.

So its not complicated.

Restated by your reply
Its very precise and takes a long time to master by the talent we have.

I hope we get coaches that can shorten time required.
If u think our record against uga is even close to victories on semi frequent basis, u are easily pleased.

 

[JorgeJonas]

So its not complicated.

Restated by your reply
Its very precise and takes a long time to master by the talent we have.

I hope we get coaches that can shorten time required.
If u think our record against uga is even close to victories on semi frequent basis, u are easily pleased.

You missed the point. Again. I didn't say that it takes a lot of time to master with the talent we have; I said the talent we have usually isn't prepared to execute it at the highest level as an 18 or 19 year old. Even if they know what to do, they usually aren't physically developed enough to do it at that age. Our combined record against UGA and Clemson is 7-10. Not sure what your expectations are there, but that's pretty good considering the advantages both schools have against us. It's even more impressive when you consider that we've played Clemson nine times but only three of which have been at home.

 

[iceeater1969]

You missed the point. Again. I didn't say that it takes a lot of time to master with the talent we have; I said the talent we have usually isn't prepared to execute it at the highest level as an 18 or 19 year old. Even if they know what to do, they usually aren't physically developed enough to do it at that age. Our combined record against UGA and Clemson is 7-10. Not sure what your expectations are there, but that's pretty good considering the advantages both schools have against us. It's even more impressive when you consider that we've played Clemson nine times but only three of which have been at home.

Glad to know you agree it won't take time to be precise. Since we have had our "designated" down year ( only won 1 acc game by the miracle play) ,
why do I feel I am the only one of us we expecting the coaches and players to put a precise winning team on the field for a long time (yes even the year after jet).

As to record against uga - we suck. U and I have different expectations.

 

[Techster]

The GT offense in 2014 was the most efficient offense ever measured in the history of the efficiency measurement. I don't see how you concluded that for a few years Navy has been more efficient.

...and then we followed up that offensive campaign with a clunker of an offense in 2015.

GT football can't have nice things.

 

[Fatmike91]

A Fullback? When did they feature a Fullback. Are you confusing it with BBack?

LOL - not confused. Did you see the size of their FULLback? They have a couple of guys back there going ~250 lbs !!

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[GTRX7]

Navy and GT both played Tulane this year when healthy. Some here need some perspective, imo.

Interesting point. I guess we played three common opponents this year. Here are the stats.

GT (v. Tulane) - 65 pts, 571 yds, 28 1st dns, 7.8 yds/rush, 13.2 yds/pass
Navy (v. Tulane) - 31 pts, 291 yds, 18 1st dns, 2.5 yds/rush, 13.2 yds/pass

GT (v. ND) - 22 pts, 337 yds, 21 1st dns, 4.6 yds/rush, 5.0 yds/pass
Navy (v. ND) - 24 pts, 340 yds, 16 1st dns, 6.5 yds/rush, 3.7 yds/pass

GT (v. Pitt) - 31 pts, 482 yds, 19 1st dns, 9.4 yds/rush, 7.1 yds/pass
Navy (v. Pitt) - 44 pts, 590 yds, 31 1st dns, 5.9 yds/rush, -- yds/pass

Doesn't look to be that much of a difference. We were better against Tulane, them better against Pitt (though we did have 9.4 yds/rush!), and about the same vs ND.

 

[jwsavhGT]

GT football can't have nice things.

Ain't that the truth!!!!!

 

[Techster]

Interesting point. I guess we played three common opponents this year. Here are the stats.

GT (v. Tulane) - 65 pts, 571 yds, 28 1st dns, 7.8 yds/rush, 13.2 yds/pass
Navy (v. Tulane) - 31 pts, 291 yds, 18 1st dns, 2.5 yds/rush, 13.2 yds/pass

GT (v. ND) - 22 pts, 337 yds, 21 1st dns, 4.6 yds/rush, 5.0 yds/pass
Navy (v. ND) - 24 pts, 340 yds, 16 1st dns, 6.5 yds/rush, 3.7 yds/pass

GT (v. Pitt) - 31 pts, 482 yds, 19 1st dns, 9.4 yds/rush, 7.1 yds/pass
Navy (v. Pitt) - 44 pts, 590 yds, 31 1st dns, 5.9 yds/rush, -- yds/pass

Doesn't look to be that much of a difference. We were better against Tulane, them better against Pitt (though we did have 9.4 yds/rush!), and about the same vs ND.

Difference is Navy went 2-1 and we were 1-2 against those teams. Obviously, it was more than just the offense that contributed to W-L.

 

[GT_B]

The GT offense in 2014 was the most efficient offense ever measured in the history of the efficiency measurement. I don't see how you concluded that for a few years Navy has been more efficient.

Because when I say efficient, I'm not only referring to stats. I know the offense did great things last year. I am also referring to the efficiency of how the plays are run. It looks a lot smoother/quicker when Navy runs 3O plays. Players are always moving forward with a faster pace and there is less hesitation. This was the same last year, we just had better players that could make up for it. We had a lot of success last year due to the fact that we ran 80% of dive plays behind Shaq. Who was literally driving his man 4-5 yards off the ball, so we were almost guaranteed to get 4-5 yards on every dive if not more. This year it was apparent we don't have anyone of that caliber on the line, not to say someone couldn't develop and get there, but definitely not right now.

Blocking, or the lack there of, was the culprit this year. It wasn't just interior blocking, perimeter blocking sucked too. So why not do some things to help the players try to be more successful. If we struggle with pass pro, let the guys get in a 2 point stance, and put JT in the shotgun to give him more time to survey the field and make a play. It just seems like common sense.

 

[iceeater1969]

Tulane played us their first game and had 9 men on field on one play and fired their coach this year.

Thank goodness we are scheduling some sec teams in the future.