Lot of Paul Johnson option football on TV tonight

[UgaBlows]

Yes he would have been required to change offenses. I hope no head coach would take a job where they dictate to him what offense or defense the coach runs.

Exactly, and GT is maybe the only P5 conf. School that would not put that kind of restriction on him. If Ken has aspirations of getting to the playoffs or chance at a MNC then he might strongly consider Tech when CPJ retires.

 

[MWBATL]

Exactly, and GT is maybe the only P5 conf. School that would not put that kind of restriction on him. If Ken has aspirations of getting to the playoffs or chance at a MNC then he might strongly consider Tech when CPJ retires.

Isn' that pretty much the reason that CPJ came here?

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

And what's with the sweatshirts and long sleeves his staff is wearing? In South Florida? Where will he go after they get tired of his act?

The defensive coordinator had sweat pouring off his face. Those sweatshirts only made it worse for them

 

[OldJacketFan]

The defensive coordinator had sweat pouring off his face. Those sweatshirts only made it worse for them

So did Lame Is he on the hot seat already?????

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I agree with @33jacket. Having said that, I'd really like to see Tech continue with this O till someone actually does find "the answer" to it. In other words for another 150 years or until rules changes prohibit cut blocks and tackling below the waist.

When it comes time to select CPJ's successor......I'd ask CPJ for his best recommendation and start there. I'm hoping we have another decade before we have to start planning for it.

 

[zhavenor]

Exactly, and GT is maybe the only P5 conf. School that would not put that kind of restriction on him. If Ken has aspirations of getting to the playoffs or chance at a MNC then he might strongly consider Tech when CPJ retires.

I would hope places like Purdue, Kansas, Iowa St, BC etc. would not think themselves so high that the would not give the offense a chance with the right coach. Of course for Ken N those places would be a step down from where his is now.

 

[SidewalkJacket]

I am not yet there. Imo we can get a better coach, the system alone is not enough for me.

I get that. I do think those two have that kind of ability in them. Nobody we get after CPJ will be the kind of offensive genius he is, but I have seen Monken come back to GSU and get the program back on track almost immediately.

I've also said this before, but after Monken left GSU, Willie Fritz came and took a flexbone based spread option roster and turned it into a dominating spread offense with plenty of option concepts out of the gun and pistol. It was fun to watch. If we don't go with a direct CPJ disciple, that kind of transition would be fun, too.

Anyway, back to impatiently waiting for Monday!

 

[forensicbuzz]

Guys, have to disagree about CPJ's replacement. Navy does not run the same distribution of offensive plays we do. They are very much a triple option team, while we are more a spread option team. Ken N. is a great coach, but no one has the ability that CPJ has to read the defense and then adjust what we're doing to attack the weaknesses of the defensive alignment. I don't think anyone would be as successful running this version of the spread option offense at Tech, against the caliber of opponents Tech sees week in, week out.

 

[AE 87]

Guys, have to disagree about CPJ's replacement. Navy does not run the same distribution of offensive plays we do. They are very much a triple option team, while we are more a spread option team. Ken N. is a great coach, but no one has the ability that CPJ has to read the defense and then adjust what we're doing to attack the weaknesses of the defensive alignment. I don't think anyone would be as successful running this version of the spread option offense at Tech, against the caliber of opponents Tech sees week in, week out.

I agree that CPJ is cut above in his ability to diagnose a D and find a remedy, but I disagree that the spread option scheme is some kind of fancy tool that requires a specialist genius.

To me, it sounds like a minor adjustment of the old "It can't work at this level" stuff we heard 10 years ago. I don't think there's any reason to think this. Monken had comparable success at GS, and Ken at Navy. They may not have passed the master, but the evidence doesn't show this precipitous decline from him.

Also, I disagree about your assessment of Navy. Their offense is basically as diverse as ours, attuned to their personnel.

 

[Jean-Baptiste Rochambeau]

Exactly, and GT is maybe the only P5 conf. School that would not put that kind of restriction on him. If Ken has aspirations of getting to the playoffs or chance at a MNC then he might strongly consider Tech when CPJ retires.

Niumatalolo can stay at Navy and become legendary. He is already halfway there. I don't see him leaving Annapolis.

 

[OldJacketFan]

Niumatalolo can stay at Navy and become legendary. He is already halfway there. I don't see him leaving Annapolis.

I agree, if Coach didn't leave for BYU I don't see him going anywhere. He is a perfect fit for the Naval Academy!

 

[forensicbuzz]

I agree that CPJ is cut above in his ability to diagnose a D and find a remedy, but I disagree that the spread option scheme is some kind of fancy tool that requires a specialist genius.

To me, it sounds like a minor adjustment of the old "It can't work at this level" stuff we heard 10 years ago. I don't think there's any reason to think this. Monken had comparable success at GS, and Ken at Navy. They may not have passed the master, but the evidence doesn't show this precipitous decline from him.

Also, I disagree about your assessment of Navy. Their offense is basically as diverse as ours, attuned to their personnel.

For someone who so often chides others for their reading comprehension skills, you should probably stop throwing stones now. Your characterization of what I said (and about 4 years of history) suggests to me that you set out to troll people. I'm not going to engage.

Navy runs the triple option play between 50-70% of the time. We run it maybe 20% of the time. They run a ton more zone blocking that we do. Our goal is to take what the Defense is giving us and exploit that. Their goal is to dictate to the Defense what they want to do through the blocking schemes. It's not the same. Ken N. has been very successful with his version of the scheme; I'm not knocking him. I just don't believe he, or anyone else, would have the same level of success that CPJ has had here.

 

[33jacket]

Niumatalolo can stay at Navy and become legendary. He is already halfway there. I don't see him leaving Annapolis.

So could have paul.

Bronco left byu due on part to conf issues. Acc is a big draw. Coach ken may not have thought byu was in a good place due to conf affiliation.

Coach ken could leave to a good school in a p5 Conf and imo at some point will. He is early enough in his career to want to take a bigger shot somewhere

I doubt he would want to follow paul again but you never know.

 

[AE 87]

For someone who so often chides others for their reading comprehension skills, you should probably stop throwing stones now. Your characterization of what I said (and about 4 years of history) suggests to me that you set out to troll people. I'm not going to engage.

Navy runs the triple option play between 50-70% of the time. We run it maybe 20% of the time. They run a ton more zone blocking that we do. Our goal is to take what the Defense is giving us and exploit that. Their goal is to dictate to the Defense what they want to do through the blocking schemes. It's not the same. Ken N. has been very successful with his version of the scheme; I'm not knocking him. I just don't believe he, or anyone else, would have the same level of success that CPJ has had here.

I didn't throw stones. I am not trying to troll. I agreed with some of what you said, but not other. That's what discussion boards are about. It does seem that you like to take personal attacks at me, but I didn't make one at you.

However, since you now assert that Navy runs triple option between 50-70% to our 20%, could you offer some substantiation to this claim? It's one thing for you have an impression and me to have a different impression. We don't all see things the same. However, it's something different once you assert quantitative data. I'm sure you'll document this data because otherwise it would seem like you were just repeating your subjective opinion as if it were objective. Maybe you're trolling me?

Anyway, I admit that my impression is just that, a subjective opinion. I see Navy run a lot of midline with their current QB, and they passed more with their previous QB. I see them use a WR lined up as a TE as an eligible receiver. It seems to me that they have a pretty diverse playbook that serves them well against their competition. I haven't counted how many plays are midline, how many are veer or anything else. I haven't even watched all of their games. I've watched enough to form a subjective opinion. I have watched all of our games, but again, I haven't counted what percent of our plays are veer and if this changes by QB.

Still, it is also not clear to me what fault you found with my characterization of what you said. I infer that you are referring my response to the point you repeat here when you say, "I just don't believe he, or anyone else, would have the same level of success that CPJ has had here." In my last post, I noted that he's had similar success at Navy (45-21 last 5 years) as CPJ (43-19, last 5 years) and that Jeff Monken at GS (first 3 years, 31-12) was comparable to CPJ (last 3 years, 38-6). Neither was as good, but neither was precipitously worse.

 

[ilovetheoption]

So could have paul.

Bronco left byu due on part to conf issues. Acc is a big draw. Coach ken may not have thought byu was in a good place due to conf affiliation.

Coach ken could leave to a good school in a p5 Conf and imo at some point will. He is early enough in his career to want to take a bigger shot somewhere

I doubt he would want to follow paul again but you never know.

Niumatalolo is not leaving Navy. He's going to retire there or he's going to be fired from there and then, either way, he's going to settle down and live the rest of his life in Annapolis. I would bet lots of fake Internet money on this. I would bet a little bit of real-world money too.

 

[MikeJackets1967]

I'd love to see GT start a series with Navy or Air Force it would be cool to see a battle of option offenses.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I didn't throw stones. I am not trying to troll. I agreed with some of what you said, but not other. That's what discussion boards are about. It does seem that you like to take personal attacks at me, but I didn't make one at you.

However, since you now assert that Navy runs triple option between 50-70% to our 20%, could you offer some substantiation to this claim? It's one thing for you have an impression and me to have a different impression. We don't all see things the same. However, it's something different once you assert quantitative data. I'm sure you'll document this data because otherwise it would seem like you were just repeating your subjective opinion as if it were objective. Maybe you're trolling me?

Anyway, I admit that my impression is just that, a subjective opinion. I see Navy run a lot of midline with their current QB, and they passed more with their previous QB. I see them use a WR lined up as a TE as an eligible receiver. It seems to me that they have a pretty diverse playbook that serves them well against their competition. I haven't counted how many plays are midline, how many are veer or anything else. I haven't even watched all of their games. I've watched enough to form a subjective opinion. I have watched all of our games, but again, I haven't counted what percent of our plays are veer and if this changes by QB.

Still, it is also not clear to me what fault you found with my characterization of what you said. I infer that you are referring my response to the point you repeat here when you say, "I just don't believe he, or anyone else, would have the same level of success that CPJ has had here." In my last post, I noted that he's had similar success at Navy (45-21 last 5 years) as CPJ (43-19, last 5 years) and that Jeff Monken at GS (first 3 years, 31-12) was comparable to CPJ (last 3 years, 38-6). Neither was as good, but neither was precipitously worse.

Okay, I'll engage. But if you start to twist what I write like you did in my previous post, I'm going to disengage and then put you on "ignore." That's something I don't want to do because I think that you have interesting things to contribute, although you aggressive nature is off-putting to many on this board, including me.

I will start by clarifying what I said, so that we're discussing what was really said, not your reinterpretation of what I said. Navy and GT don't run the same distribution of plays. Navy runs more Triple Option than GT. Navy runs zone-blocking schemes to force the Defense in certain directions, while GT typically evaluates and then attacks the weaknesses of the Defense. Although Ken N. is a great coach, I don't think anyone would be as successful at GT as CPJ against our competition because no one knows how to adjust the way CPJ does. Anything beyond what I just reiterated is you projecting your interpretation onto me.

As for the numbers, you can find the articles as easily as I can. I agree that I think all coaches will adjust their play calling to their players, but here's the quote I quickly pulled up. Just to set the record straight:

Ashley Ingram, Navy Centers and Guards Coach stated at the 2011 Navy Football Coaches Clinic that 75 percent of the Flexbone Offense and 75 percent of practice time needs to be dedicated to four plays. Those four plays are Triple Option, Midline Option, Zone Dive, and Counter Option. Coach Ingram stated that the Triple Option is a play that should be run 50, 60, even 70 percent of the time, and if the play is not, then something is going horribly wrong.
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The 20% number for GT is probably 20-30%, but I've seen 20% in a number of articles and interviews. You can do the legwork if you'd like.

Regardless, my point is that there are differences between what Navy is doing and what GT is doing. I don't think anyone will/would be as successful as CPJ. That's my opinion based on watching him at GT the past 10 years. I'm not asking you to agree; I'm simply stating my opinion, and I don't necessarily want to get into an in depth debate defending my opinion every time I offer it.

 

[AE 87]

Okay, I'll engage. But if you start to twist what I write like you did in my previous post, I'm going to disengage and then put you on "ignore." That's something I don't want to do because I think that you have interesting things to contribute, although you aggressive nature is off-putting to many on this board, including me.

I will start by clarifying what I said, so that we're discussing what was really said, not your reinterpretation of what I said. Navy and GT don't run the same distribution of plays. Navy runs more Triple Option than GT. Navy runs zone-blocking schemes to force the Defense in certain directions, while GT typically evaluates and then attacks the weaknesses of the Defense. Although Ken N. is a great coach, I don't think anyone would be as successful at GT as CPJ against our competition because no one knows how to adjust the way CPJ does. Anything beyond what I just reiterated is you projecting your interpretation onto me.

As for the numbers, you can find the articles as easily as I can. I agree that I think all coaches will adjust their play calling to their players, but here's the quote I quickly pulled up. Just to set the record straight:

Ashley Ingram, Navy Centers and Guards Coach stated at the 2011 Navy Football Coaches Clinic that 75 percent of the Flexbone Offense and 75 percent of practice time needs to be dedicated to four plays. Those four plays are Triple Option, Midline Option, Zone Dive, and Counter Option. Coach Ingram stated that the Triple Option is a play that should be run 50, 60, even 70 percent of the time, and if the play is not, then something is going horribly wrong.
​

The 20% number for GT is probably 20-30%, but I've seen 20% in a number of articles and interviews. You can do the legwork if you'd like.

Regardless, my point is that there are differences between what Navy is doing and what GT is doing. I don't think anyone will/would be as successful as CPJ. That's my opinion based on watching him at GT the past 10 years. I'm not asking you to agree; I'm simply stating my opinion, and I don't necessarily want to get into an in depth debate defending my opinion every time I offer it.

Well, let me begin by saying that I don't know why you need to make a personal attack every time you reply to me. That's just you I guess.

I never disputed your opinion or your right to it. I don't see how I've twisted it. Repeating it doesn't make it any more or less true.

You quote a Navy coach whose making a comment about the scheme which we have in common. He does not assert this as a differentiator from CPJ but the opposite.

Then, it seems you repeat your documentation bluff.

Again, I don't have documentation to prove me right and you wrong. I just have a different opinion.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

I tend to agree wth forensics buzz. Navy's scheme is a lot different. I've watched nearly every Navy game for what it's worth.

 

[TheGridironGeek]

"ON THE DAY HE WAS BORN, THE DOCTOR SPANKED PAUL JOHNSON, SO HE HIT THE DOCTOR WITH A PILLOWCASE FULL OF DOORKNOBS"
LMFAO!!! Might be the best quote bout CPJ I have ever read. This made me laugh sooooo freakin' hard cuz it is probably true. Wonder if that is how UT will feel after monday night...

The 'Woman in Bees' bears a striking resemblance to Heather Dinich and so does the writing style. Heather Dinich on acid. You cannot convince me that some serious amount of drug and/or alcohol intake did not influence the creation of that post.