King Injury Factual Updates

[MWBATL]

Lol. I hope that’s the case, but it didn't really come across that way when I listened to it. I honestly think he’s got a serious injury in his shoulder that requires surgery. It’s been six weeks since that guy threw a downfield pass in a game. I’d be really surprised if 7 more days all of sudden shows a massive recovery to where it’s just no longer a problem. But…if he could just throw ONE downfield pass on PA it could be a huge advantage. I would consider that “balling out.”

We don’t know what the offical diagnosis was. Shoulder separations can be anywhere from Class I (mildest) to Class VI (worst). MOST are Classes I-III. 90% of the Class I-III do NOT require surgery to repair. However, Class III usually takes 6-12 weeks for recovery. I cannot imagine King has a Class IV or above requiring surgery as I don’t think he would be cleared to play at all with that level of injury. So, let’s speculate his is a Class III injury. There is also considerable discussion in the literature about whether surgery is a good idea or not for Class III injuries. Some new thought is being given to arthroscopic surgeries where preliminary results seem promising.

Bottom line…while every day/week of rest will improve King’s range of motion…if there is damage beyond a simple separation, some level of surgery may be required for him to fully recover.

My own opinion is he won’t be “himself” by next Friday, but we’ll continue to talk about that as likely to let UGa wonder who they should prepare for.

PS-isn’t Pyron out with the same issue? We haven’t seen him since the Virginia Tech game and no one is saying anything about him. He used to be a weapon in goal line and 4th down “tush push” plays.

PSS-I am not a medical professional (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express recently)

 

[MountainBuzzMan]

Can you imagine the reactions if we lined up and ran the CPJ TO for the first drive ? I think heads would explode

I dont care what we run as long as it gives us an advantage

 

[Bogey]

We don’t know what the offical diagnosis was. Shoulder separations can be anywhere from Class I (mildest) to Class VI (worst). MOST are Classes I-III. 90% of the Class I-III do NOT require surgery to repair. However, Class III usually takes 6-12 weeks for recovery. I cannot imagine King has a Class IV or above requiring surgery as I don’t think he would be cleared to play at all with that level of injury. So, let’s speculate his is a Class III injury. There is also considerable discussion in the literature about whether surgery is a good idea or not for Class III injuries. Some new thought is being given to arthroscopic surgeries where preliminary results seem promising.

Bottom line…while every day/week of rest will improve King’s range of motion…if there is damage beyond a simple separation, some level of surgery may be required for him to fully recover.

My own opinion is he won’t be “himself” by next Friday, but we’ll continue to talk about that as likely to let UGa wonder who they should prepare for.

PS-isn’t Pyron out with the same issue? We haven’t seen him since the Virginia Tech game and no one is saying anything about him. He used to be a weapon in goal line and 4th down “tush push” plays.

PSS-I am not a medical professional (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express recently)

I read a post by someone who said Kelly Quinlan told that Pyron was 70% against ND and only 40% healthy for VT. Have not seen anything since, but until told differently, I believe he has an injury.

 

[Thwg777]

I think analogies can be drawn to both 2008 and 2016 teams.

2008 in terms of qualities of season wins and 2016 in terms of direct record (7-4) coming into COFH.

Between 2019 and 2021 games, we looked like we didn’t belong on the field in this game. Key did well at playing competitively the first half of the 2022 game but our lack of depth really showed in the second half.

Last year, it was clear we belonged on the field. And let’s not forget, the play that ultimately ended the dwag’s season in the SEC championship game looked like a direct copy / paste of what we did.

I expect GT to play aggressive regardless of who is at QB.

 

[TechPhi97]

Lol. I hope that’s the case, but it didn't really come across that way when I listened to it. I honestly think he’s got a serious injury in his shoulder that requires surgery. It’s been six weeks since that guy threw a downfield pass in a game. I’d be really surprised if 7 more days all of sudden shows a massive recovery to where it’s just no longer a problem. But…if he could just throw ONE downfield pass on PA

it could be a huge advantage. I would consider that “balling out.”

What we are witnessing is a well executed communications plan involving coordinated disinformation. Right now the AA is operating at Putin-level, IMHO. No true info about the injury, demonstrations of King’s capabilities that are highly controlled (and performative, it seems).

King is a pretty bad liar, and his body language after his “ball out” statement points me in a clear direction.

 

[danny daniel]

Since we are in pure speculation here is mine. King is hurt and will be limited the rest of the season and may not play at all, especially in the bowl game. Pyron is seriously hurt and will not be available to play. In the next two games Philo will be the QB and we may get down to Brody as the "emergency" QB. I think Brody is more ready than Knowles and he may get a chance for a few snaps. Let's get behind Philo and I hope the coaches scheme around his skills.

 

[TechPhi97]

Saw him hopping up and down on the sidelines. You don’t do that if you are seriously injured.

Depends on the injury. My signal has been how other players treat him after a play. I sure others have cringed watching the congratulatory pounding that someone gets after a TD or big play before - football players should their enthusiasm aggressively. Now think about happens when Kong finishes a play against Miami or NCSU - his big O-linemen run up to him and then gingerly pat him. Rather than the OL tossing him in the air (like a lot of our TD runs) they almost form a protective ring around him.

It’s noticeable, take a rewatch and see if you see it on that TD against State.

 

[orientalnc]

I have had three shoulder injuries. One ended my bike racing career (mercifully), and the other two were less severe, but all three required surgery. Recovery was painful and it took a long time to get 100% of my strength and range of motion back to normal. That is a complicated joint in our bodies.

When I watch King throwing short passes he seems OK. He said contact is not an issue. I wonder if he has a slightly torn supraspinatus tendon that keeps him from extending his arm vertically with the strength required for long passes. He may have had this issue at A&M.

 

[stinger78]

We don’t know what the offical diagnosis was. Shoulder separations can be anywhere from Class I (mildest) to Class VI (worst). MOST are Classes I-III. 90% of the Class I-III do NOT require surgery to repair. However, Class III usually takes 6-12 weeks for recovery. I cannot imagine King has a Class IV or above requiring surgery as I don’t think he would be cleared to play at all with that level of injury. So, let’s speculate his is a Class III injury. There is also considerable discussion in the literature about whether surgery is a good idea or not for Class III injuries. Some new thought is being given to arthroscopic surgeries where preliminary results seem promising.

Bottom line…while every day/week of rest will improve King’s range of motion…if there is damage beyond a simple separation, some level of surgery may be required for him to fully recover.

My own opinion is he won’t be “himself” by next Friday, but we’ll continue to talk about that as likely to let UGa wonder who they should prepare for.

PS-isn’t Pyron out with the same issue? We haven’t seen him since the Virginia Tech game and no one is saying anything about him. He used to be a weapon in goal line and 4th down “tush push” plays.

PSS-I am not a medical professional (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express recently)

Another issue is rebuilding strength from muscle atrophy during the event. How that affected him prior to this season has not been quantified, as far as I know.

 

[stinger78]

I think analogies can be drawn to both 2008 and 2016 teams.

2008 in terms of qualities of season wins and 2016 in terms of direct record (7-4) coming into COFH.

Between 2019 and 2021 games, we looked like we didn’t belong on the field in this game. Key did well at playing competitively the first half of the 2022 game but our lack of depth really showed in the second half.

Last year, it was clear we belonged on the field. And let’s not forget, the play that ultimately ended the dwag’s season in the SEC championship game looked like a direct copy / paste of what we did.

I expect GT to play aggressive regardless of who is at QB.

CBK has nothing to lose playing aggressively at UGAg. Look at the line - it’s gigantic. No one expects us to win. Indeed, if they come out like they did at UTA or against UT, we have little to no chance. However, if they play like they did against UK or UF or Ole Miss, we can absolutely win. We’ll have to wait and see.

 

[Thwg777]

What we are witnessing is a well executed communications plan involving coordinated disinformation. Right now the AA is operating at Putin-level, IMHO. No true info about the injury, demonstrations of King’s capabilities that are highly controlled (and performative, it seems).

King is a pretty bad liar, and his body language after his “ball out” statement points me in a clear direction.

I don’t have enough tin foil to follow you. But what you’re describing would be a modern day version of the 1927 game.

Per Wiki:

Georgia Tech faced the undefeated and top-ranked in-state rival Georgia Bulldogs for the conference crown. The Bulldogs were known as the "Dream and Wonder team" and gave Yale its only loss. In the rain, Tech won 12–0. For the first time this year, neither of Georgia's ends Tom Nash nor Shiver played particularly well.[42]

Prior to the game, Coach Alexander instituted "The Plan," splitting his team into two squads and playing mostly reserves for four weeks. The regulars practiced for the upcoming Georgia contest.[5] Grant Field was expected to be filled to capacity, the largest crowd ever in the south.[43] One account read "And never in the history of athletics in the Southland has there been an occasion so momentous as this. The football championship of the South and as some may justifiably figure, the nation, will be decided on Saturday in the capital city and native sons will decide it."[44]

Tech's first touchdown came on a pass from Warner Mizell to quarterback Bob Durant. The second one came shortly after Stumpy Thomason returned an interception 57 yards to Georgia's 22-yard line.[40][41] Thomason scored on a 13-yard end run.[41]

The starting lineup was: Crowley (left end), Watkins (left tackle), Westbrook (left guard), Pund (center), Drennon (right guard), Speer (right tackle), Waddey (right end), Durant (quarterback), Mizell (left halfback), Read (right halfback), Randolph (fullback).[41]

 

[iceeater1969]

Depends on the injury. My signal has been how other players treat him after a play. I sure others have cringed watching the congratulatory pounding that someone gets after a TD or big play before - football players should their enthusiasm aggressively. Now think about happens when Kong finishes a play against Miami or NCSU - his big O-linemen run up to him and then gingerly pat him. Rather than the OL tossing him in the air (like a lot of our TD runs) they almost form a protective ring around him.

It’s noticeable, take a rewatch and see if you see it on that TD against State.

Before NCSt King interviewed by tv while throwing warm up passes. Typical blah but King said - loyal to Key who gave me a chance to prove myself when others didn’t

In game it was obvious that King would not be given the go to pass but would try to use trickery to get some significant run yards.

(As a veteran of 2 very severed rotator cup rebuilds, i know before surgery they want you to do physical therapy and avoid certian motions and extensions with arms. I noticed that after being tackled King is being very careful to avoid using arm to roll over to get up. Ol guys come and help him up. It could be he and team are highly discipled to pt protocol. It could be that the injury is progressing to higher tear level.
Because i did opposite of pt protocal mine went to totally torn. Duh Am I = to much going on at work.

At after game tv talk, King and Philo blab at stupid questions, King said PT going well and "xxxx" pass agressivly in next game. I took it to mean be able to run the swing pass portion of offense to create run lanes for him and rb. Each poster should listen to hear what they think he means.

The "want to win force" in this guy is strong.

 

[684Bee]

Depends on the injury. My signal has been how other players treat him after a play. I sure others have cringed watching the congratulatory pounding that someone gets after a TD or big play before - football players should their enthusiasm aggressively. Now think about happens when Kong finishes a play against Miami or NCSU - his big O-linemen run up to him and then gingerly pat him. Rather than the OL tossing him in the air (like a lot of our TD runs) they almost form a protective ring around him.

It’s noticeable, take a rewatch and see if you see it on that TD against State.

I was talking about Rutherford.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Good idea. And letting King with his bum shoulder, picking up any fast charging, hard hitting blitzing LB to protect Philo's pocket.

Based on what seems to be the issue, the shoulder is not at risk in that situation (but a QB taking on that LB might not be what we’d want anyway)

I have a similar shoulder issue. Everything is fine until I have to raise my elbow above the shoulder.

 

[stinger78]

Based on what seems to be the issue, the shoulder is not at risk in that situation (but a QB taking on that LB might not be what we’d want anyway)

I have a similar shoulder issue. Everything is fine until I have to raise my elbow above the shoulder.

A shoulder injury ended my baseball playing days. If I were any good, I’d have had surgery, but I wasn’t, so I let it go. It was fine as long as I wasn’t throwing a ball. Weight lifting, waterskiing, racketball… no problem. Throwing… major pain.

Now 40 years later, now that arthritis has set in, the pain is more evident. I’m wishing I had done the surgery.

 

[LongforDodd]

Can you imagine the reactions if we lined up and ran the CPJ TO for the first drive ? I think heads would explode

Only if the first drive was a three and out. Yikes! Otherwise, it would all be good stuff.

 

[LongforDodd]

Is JHaynes ok? He seemed not to be towards the end of the game?

 

[Spalding Jacket]

Can you imagine the reactions if we lined up and ran the CPJ TO for the first drive ? I think heads would explode

I think we could do this with rocket toss, Zone dive, QB duck play and some play actions to at least throw them off.

 

[Bogey]

A shoulder injury ended my baseball playing days. If I were any good, I’d have had surgery, but I wasn’t, so I let it go. It was fine as long as I wasn’t throwing a ball. Weight lifting, waterskiing, racketball… no problem. Throwing… major pain.

Now 40 years later, now that arthritis has set in, the pain is more evident. I’m wishing I had done the surgery.

I have a bad case of arthritis in my right shoulder. Exercising it with bands and taking 7-1/2 mg of Meloxicam 2 or 3 times per week keeps the pain away and is the only way I can keep playing golf.

 

[Natehosch]

Bottom Line is , Our Best Chance to beat a good team . like we did vs Miami. We need a effective running game and King gives us the best chance to do that . our offense with Philo taking 80 % of the snaps and scoring 1 offensive TD against a bad NC State team isnt the plan i would use . the way UMASS is running on Georgia is encouraging