Jackets Travel to Louisville, 2/10/2024, MBB

[Root4GT]

Our coach has clearly quit on this team so it should really be no surprise the team follows.

That's crap!

 

[Root4GT]

It's about the hypocrisy of before the game making a big deal about not worrying about the opponent and then after the game saying all you care about is the scouting report.

BS again! But you hate the coach so keep preaching your BS!

 

[Root4GT]

We beat Duke and UNC. There is no lack of talent. Especially not compared to the worst 5 teams in the conference.

Look dude I get it. I don’t think CDS deserves to be thrown under the bus and tarred and feathered right now, but blaming it all on the players is BS too. It’s the coach’s JOB to motivate his players and have them ready for a game. If the players aren’t ready, SOME of the blame has to go to the coach. Especially when this has been a common theme throughout the year.

Louisville has 7 top 100 HS players on their roster. Be have 2. Now HS rankings are no guarantee how they will play in college. Still aggregate talent levels matter.

We need a serious infusion of talent.

 

[Root4GT]

Wait, so you point to me not being at practice against the idea of him quitting on the team, which btw is never used against anyone who claims players quit, and then turn around and pretend to know what the players have been told their entire lives?

What is stupid, and frankly sickening is the lengths posters here will go to degrade the players all just so they can defend the coach. It's moved beyond talking about basketball skills. Now we apparently have a bunch of players who lack toughness, have no standards, have never played hard, and don't care about losing.

GT was a cellar dweller in the ACC the past 2 years for a reason. The talent level was at the bottom of the ACC. That is still the case. Of our better players Ndongo and George were a low 4 star and a 3 star coming out of HS. Reeves has played poorly the past several games, reverting to how he played at Florida. Curious as to what is going on with him. Kelly played like we were all hoping he would play this season yesterday. Encouraging. George and Ndongo had very bad games. The rest played like we should expect, nothing special. Murphy and Sacko got time due to Coleman's injury and both played both hard and within their ability thus were positive contributors.

 

[spdrama]

BS again! But you hate the coach so keep preaching your BS!

Root, no idea what was said as the poster is, thankfully, on ignore. But, from what I recall of the reason I chose to push that “magic” button, “crap” & “BS”, without any doubt whatsoever, are most certainly accurate descriptions of anything he has to offer. I’d rather read criticisms of GT Athletic teams written by UGA Dawgs.

 

[JacketOff]

Louisville has 7 top 100 HS players on their roster. Be have 2. Now HS rankings are no guarantee how they will play in college. Still aggregate talent levels matter.

We need a serious infusion of talent.

Louisville has 5 conference wins in the last 2 years, and Georgia Tech is 2 of them. Louisville has larger issues than we do as a team, and we were leading them by 9 points with 8 minutes left in the game. Talent is not the issue. If talent was as big of a deal as y’all are making it out to be, Louisville would not be trying to avoid a last place ACC finish for the 2nd consecutive year.

 

[CEB]

Louisville has 5 conference wins in the last 2 years, and Georgia Tech is 2 of them. Louisville has larger issues than we do as a team, and we were leading them by 9 points with 8 minutes left in the game. Talent is not the issue. If talent was as big of a deal as y’all are making it out to be, Louisville would not be trying to avoid a last place ACC finish for the 2nd consecutive year.

I know it’s said to the point of being cliche but it’s really tough to win on the road.
We certainly had our shot yesterday and it was a winnable game (which hurts) but in the grand scheme, I am far more concerned about several of our home losses.

 

[slugboy]

Lots of other opinions have been thrown out here, so here’s my ignorance on display

• Stoudamire has retooled the roster. While we lost some players who could contribute, this is a much deeper and more talented roster than last year
• The roster needed more talent in a big way
• Stoudamire runs an offense and defense like the NBA. The worst athlete on an NBA team is better than almost anyone on an NCAA roster, except for the players ready for the draft
• those NBA schemes show off any limitations in athleticism, effort, or technique in the same way an old school speedo shows off a beer gut.
• We have more talent than last year, and more lineups, but all of them have at least one flaw, and are usually flawed on defense.
• Would it have been better to run systems that cover up our weaknesses? Maybe—I’m not sure. Maybe it’s better to make the problems obvious so we fix them
• We lose a lot of games we can and should win. We also show flashes of potential
• The last few seasons, we were just coasting. Some fans were upset because we lost one 4* guard in the class. We aren’t going anywhere with that kind of recruiting.
• Stoudamire is recruiting much better. We need even more, though
• Stoudamire could leave tomorrow for an assistant NBA role. Frankly, the I think the Hawks would take him immediately and he wouldn’t have to move. He’s building his head coaching chops
• I understand why people have doubts that he can turn the program around. The team looks bad a lot of the time.
• I wonder what Pitino would do with this team.
• He has a point of view about how the game should be played, and he’s coaching it and teaching it. It’s not clicking for about half of the roster or more
• If you liked Tech’s old “sink or swim” philosophy in the classroom, this is it on the basketball court. Some of our guys are flunking, and the class GPA is low. Ain’t no curve, though.

 

[Root4GT]

Louisville has 5 conference wins in the last 2 years, and Georgia Tech is 2 of them. Louisville has larger issues than we do as a team, and we were leading them by 9 points with 8 minutes left in the game. Talent is not the issue. If talent was as big of a deal as y’all are making it out to be, Louisville would not be trying to avoid a last place ACC finish for the 2nd consecutive year.

63 of Louisville’s 79 points were scored by freshmen and sophomores. 12 of the other15 were by a transfer.

There are reasons they are bad. We are also bad. What will the rest of the season bring, likely more losses. Who will step up and show they hate to lose? Again no way to know. The coaches do know though.

GT BB has need bad less one very good year and a couple of OK years for a very long time. Something drastic needed to change.

 

[orientalnc]

Lots of other opinions have been thrown out here, so here’s my ignorance on display

• Stoudamire has retooled the roster. While we lost some players who could contribute, this is a much deeper and more talented roster than last year
• The roster needed more talent in a big way
• Stoudamire runs an offense and defense like the NBA. The worst athlete on an NBA team is better than almost anyone on an NCAA roster, except for the players ready for the draft
• those NBA schemes show off any limitations in athleticism, effort, or technique in the same way an old school speedo shows off a beer gut.
• We have more talent than last year, and more lineups, but all of them have at least one flaw, and are usually flawed on defense.
• Would it have been better to run systems that cover up our weaknesses? Maybe—I’m not sure. Maybe it’s better to make the problems obvious so we fix them
• We lose a lot of games we can and should win. We also show flashes of potential
• The last few seasons, we were just coasting. Some fans were upset because we lost one 4* guard in the class. We aren’t going anywhere with that kind of recruiting.
• Stoudamire is recruiting much better. We need even more, though
• Stoudamire could leave tomorrow for an assistant NBA role. Frankly, the I think the Hawks would take him immediately and he wouldn’t have to move. He’s building his head coaching chops
• I understand why people have doubts that he can turn the program around. The team looks bad a lot of the time.
• I wonder what Pitino would do with this team.
• He has a point of view about how the game should be played, and he’s coaching it and teaching it. It’s not clicking for about half of the roster or more
• If you liked Tech’s old “sink or swim” philosophy in the classroom, this is it on the basketball court. Some of our guys are flunking, and the class GPA is low. Ain’t no curve, though.

The bottom line, as I think about this a bit more, is that CDS is running an offense that requires good shooting. We are shooting 32% from three. Our opponents are only shooting 31%, or our record might be considerably worse. Our rank nationally: Overall FG%=> 314th; 3-pt FG% => 258th; FT% => 286th. Our rank in ACC conference games, where it matters most: Overall FG% => 14th; 3-pt FG% => 12th; FT% => 14th.

He lit it up yesterday, but Miles Kelly is actually part of the problem overall. His shooting percentages are actually below the team average in FG% and 3-pt FG%. He is slightly above the team average shooting FTs, but is almost 20 percentage points below last season. It might not be a huge problem if he wasn't our best player and logging more minutes than anyone else. But he is and CDS predicted before the season that Kelly would be the key to our success this year. He said Kelly needed to play like an All-American. Right now, I don't think Kelly will be All-Conference.

 

[g0lftime]

NBA players don't miss many 3 pt goals if left open. Offenses that can get their shooters open 3's don't tend to miss.

 

[slugboy]

The bottom line, as I think about this a bit more, is that CDS is running an offense that requires good shooting. We are shooting 32% from three. Our opponents are only shooting 31%, or our record might be considerably worse. Our rank nationally: Overall FG%=> 314th; 3-pt FG% => 258th; FT% => 286th. Our rank in ACC conference games, where it matters most: Overall FG% => 14th; 3-pt FG% => 12th; FT% => 14th.

He lit it up yesterday, but Miles Kelly is actually part of the problem overall. His shooting percentages are actually below the team average in FG% and 3-pt FG%. He is slightly above the team average shooting FTs, but is almost 20 percentage points below last season. It might not be a huge problem if he wasn't our best player and logging more minutes than anyone else. But he is and CDS predicted before the season that Kelly would be the key to our success this year. He said Kelly needed to play like an All-American. Right now, I don't think Kelly will be All-Conference.

Our best stats are

1. 67th in blocks
2. 69th in offensive rebounds
3. 81st in total rebounds

All the rest are in the 180s or 230s or thereabouts—below average and way below P6 average.

I don’t know if Ndongo or Reeves get honorable mention, but no one is first or second team this season.

Ndongo is third in the conference on effective FG%. No one cracks the ACC top 10 for true shooting percentage. Ndongo has good rebounding stats, and is top 10 in rebounding %.

Miles is top five for field goal attempts, which tells a story in itself. Points is not a place we excel.

Ndongo does deserve some recognition this season—I just don’t think he’ll get it.

I’m not sure what coach does a lot more with this roster—we aren’t the kind of players who will play 5 out and snipe you to death, we aren’t going to play a UVA defense and hold you to 29, we definitely aren’t going to be bigger and own the paint.

Maybe we could play a system like Purdue. I’ve seen enough of someone trying to run a scheme that they don’t know well though

 

[Root4GT]

The bottom line, as I think about this a bit more, is that CDS is running an offense that requires good shooting. We are shooting 32% from three. Our opponents are only shooting 31%, or our record might be considerably worse. Our rank nationally: Overall FG%=> 314th; 3-pt FG% => 258th; FT% => 286th. Our rank in ACC conference games, where it matters most: Overall FG% => 14th; 3-pt FG% => 12th; FT% => 14th.

He lit it up yesterday, but Miles Kelly is actually part of the problem overall. His shooting percentages are actually below the team average in FG% and 3-pt FG%. He is slightly above the team average shooting FTs, but is almost 20 percentage points below last season. It might not be a huge problem if he wasn't our best player and logging more minutes than anyone else. But he is and CDS predicted before the season that Kelly would be the key to our success this year. He said Kelly needed to play like an All-American. Right now, I don't think Kelly will be All-Conference.

Per the TheACC.com we are 5th in 3 point FG% at 35.5% and 9th in 3 point FG% defense. We are 12th in FG% at 42.6% and 9th in FT% at 71%.

ACC Conference only basketball statistics

 

[Root4GT]

Our best stats are

1. 67th in blocks
2. 69th in offensive rebounds
3. 81st in total rebounds

All the rest are in the 180s or 230s or thereabouts—below average and way below P6 average.

I don’t know if Ndongo or Reeves get honorable mention, but no one is first or second team this season.

Ndongo is third in the conference on effective FG%. No one cracks the ACC top 10 for true shooting percentage. Ndongo has good rebounding stats, and is top 10 in rebounding %.

Miles is top five for field goal attempts, which tells a story in itself. Points is not a place we excel.

Ndongo does deserve some recognition this season—I just don’t think he’ll get it.

I’m not sure what coach does a lot more with this roster—we aren’t the kind of players who will play 5 out and snipe you to death, we aren’t going to play a UVA defense and hold you to 29, we definitely aren’t going to be bigger and own the paint.

Maybe we could play a system like Purdue. I’ve seen enough of someone trying to run a scheme that they don’t know well though

Purdue - helps to have a 7'4" returning College Basketball Player of the Year Lots of systems work when you have a big that can get position and score anytime he wants.

 

[slugboy]

Per the TheACC.com we are 5th in 3 point FG% at 35.5% and 9th in 3 point FG% defense. We are 12th in FG% at 42.6% and 9th in FT% at 71%.

ACC Conference only basketball statistics

I sorted this by effective fg%. I see us as 12th out of 15 in 3pt%.

		Over				Conf		Home		Away			Rati				Per																				Adva
Rk	School	G	W	L	W%	W	L	W	L	W	L		ORtg	DRtg	NRtg		FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%V	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	PTS		SRS	SOS	Pace
1	Wake Forest	23	16	7	.696	8	4	13	0	2	5		113.5	98.9	+14.6		28.3	59.3	.478	8.6	22.5	.380	.550	15.5	19.3	.802	8.3	35.1	12.5	5.9	4.4	11.2	15.5	80.8	70.4		15.94	5.55	70.4
2	Duke	23	18	5	.783	9	3	12	2	4	3		117.3	98.3	+19.0		28.7	59.6	.481	8.1	21.7	.373	.549	15.3	20.9	.730	9.7	36.2	15.7	6.7	3.9	9.3	15.6	80.7	67.6		19.00	5.96	68.8
3	Miami (FL)	24	15	9	.625	6	7	11	3	2	5		110.6	101.0	+9.6		28.7	60.8	.472	8.7	23.7	.366	.543	12.7	16.5	.768	9.8	37.4	14.5	7.4	3.4	12.5	12.9	78.7	71.8		12.46	5.63	70.8
4	Virginia Tech	23	13	10	.565	5	7	10	2	1	6		108.9	102.2	+6.7		25.5	54.9	.465	8.4	23.4	.361	.542	14.5	18.3	.789	7.7	32.5	15.3	5.3	2.6	11.8	15.9	74.0	69.4		11.58	7.06	67.9
5	Clemson	23	16	7	.696	6	6	8	3	5	4		114.3	104.6	+9.8		28.3	60.0	.471	8.2	23.3	.353	.539	14.2	18.3	.779	10.0	37.8	15.3	4.6	4.3	10.4	16.2	79.0	72.2		15.36	8.62	68.3
6	Boston College	23	13	10	.565	4	8	8	4	4	4		108.6	104.6	+4.1		27.7	60.1	.460	7.7	21.9	.351	.524	12.3	16.4	.748	9.2	34.9	13.9	6.3	3.7	10.5	15.6	75.3	72.4		8.41	5.58	68.9
7	UNC	24	19	5	.792	11	2	10	1	6	1		113.3	96.8	+16.5		28.1	62.8	.448	7.9	22.3	.353	.511	18.3	24.5	.750	12.3	41.4	14.3	6.1	4.3	10.5	16.8	82.5	70.4		20.99	8.95	72.4
8	Virginia	24	19	5	.792	10	3	13	0	4	4		106.1	93.1	+13.0		24.8	55.2	.449	6.8	17.8	.381	.510	9.5	14.4	.656	8.8	32.7	15.9	8.0	4.9	8.4	13.8	65.8	57.7		12.81	4.77	61.7
9	Pitt	23	15	8	.652	6	6	9	5	5	2		111.0	98.3	+12.6		26.1	60.5	.431	9.1	26.9	.339	.507	14.0	20.0	.698	12.0	38.4	13.6	6.5	5.0	9.9	15.2	75.3	66.7		13.09	4.52	67.8
10	Syracuse	24	15	9	.625	6	7	11	2	2	5		103.6	102.0	+1.5		27.2	60.9	.446	7.0	21.4	.327	.503	14.3	20.1	.712	9.4	34.9	13.9	9.4	4.5	11.8	15.6	75.6	74.5		8.12	9.08	73.0
11	Florida State	23	13	10	.565	7	5	7	6	4	3		104.8	101.7	+3.1		27.4	61.2	.447	6.1	19.4	.315	.498	15.7	22.7	.692	10.5	34.7	12.4	9.2	4.3	12.1	20.3	76.6	74.3		10.08	7.82	72.7
12	NC State	24	15	9	.625	7	6	11	3	3	4		107.5	100.7	+6.8		27.5	62.4	.440	7.1	21.5	.331	.497	13.3	18.5	.721	10.5	35.8	13.2	7.9	3.0	9.5	17.8	75.4	70.6		10.12	5.33	69.4
13	Louisville	24	8	16	.333	3	10	7	7	1	7		103.7	109.8	-6.0		25.2	57.7	.437	5.6	18.0	.312	.486	17.8	23.6	.755	10.8	35.6	11.1	5.5	2.6	12.9	17.3	73.9	78.2		1.96	6.25	70.8
14	Georgia Tech	24	10	14	.417	3	10	6	6	2	7		102.1	108.6	-6.4		25.5	61.0	.417	8.0	24.6	.324	.482	12.9	18.8	.687	12.0	38.3	13.0	4.6	4.3	12.3	17.6	71.8	76.3		3.56	8.06	68.8
15	Notre Dame	24	8	16	.333	3	10	6	8	1	7		94.5	100.2	-5.7		22.1	55.0	.402	7.3	24.1	.303	.468	10.5	14.5	.724	10.0	36.3	9.8	5.9	2.6	13.5	14.9	62.0	65.8		3.45	7.16	64.6

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[Root4GT]

I sorted this by effective fg%. I see us as 12th out of 15 in 3pt%.

		Over				Conf		Home		Away			Rati				Per																				Adva
Rk	School	G	W	L	W%	W	L	W	L	W	L		ORtg	DRtg	NRtg		FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	eFG%V	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	PTS		SRS	SOS	Pace
1	Wake Forest	23	16	7	.696	8	4	13	0	2	5		113.5	98.9	+14.6		28.3	59.3	.478	8.6	22.5	.380	.550	15.5	19.3	.802	8.3	35.1	12.5	5.9	4.4	11.2	15.5	80.8	70.4		15.94	5.55	70.4
2	Duke	23	18	5	.783	9	3	12	2	4	3		117.3	98.3	+19.0		28.7	59.6	.481	8.1	21.7	.373	.549	15.3	20.9	.730	9.7	36.2	15.7	6.7	3.9	9.3	15.6	80.7	67.6		19.00	5.96	68.8
3	Miami (FL)	24	15	9	.625	6	7	11	3	2	5		110.6	101.0	+9.6		28.7	60.8	.472	8.7	23.7	.366	.543	12.7	16.5	.768	9.8	37.4	14.5	7.4	3.4	12.5	12.9	78.7	71.8		12.46	5.63	70.8
4	Virginia Tech	23	13	10	.565	5	7	10	2	1	6		108.9	102.2	+6.7		25.5	54.9	.465	8.4	23.4	.361	.542	14.5	18.3	.789	7.7	32.5	15.3	5.3	2.6	11.8	15.9	74.0	69.4		11.58	7.06	67.9
5	Clemson	23	16	7	.696	6	6	8	3	5	4		114.3	104.6	+9.8		28.3	60.0	.471	8.2	23.3	.353	.539	14.2	18.3	.779	10.0	37.8	15.3	4.6	4.3	10.4	16.2	79.0	72.2		15.36	8.62	68.3
6	Boston College	23	13	10	.565	4	8	8	4	4	4		108.6	104.6	+4.1		27.7	60.1	.460	7.7	21.9	.351	.524	12.3	16.4	.748	9.2	34.9	13.9	6.3	3.7	10.5	15.6	75.3	72.4		8.41	5.58	68.9
7	UNC	24	19	5	.792	11	2	10	1	6	1		113.3	96.8	+16.5		28.1	62.8	.448	7.9	22.3	.353	.511	18.3	24.5	.750	12.3	41.4	14.3	6.1	4.3	10.5	16.8	82.5	70.4		20.99	8.95	72.4
8	Virginia	24	19	5	.792	10	3	13	0	4	4		106.1	93.1	+13.0		24.8	55.2	.449	6.8	17.8	.381	.510	9.5	14.4	.656	8.8	32.7	15.9	8.0	4.9	8.4	13.8	65.8	57.7		12.81	4.77	61.7
9	Pitt	23	15	8	.652	6	6	9	5	5	2		111.0	98.3	+12.6		26.1	60.5	.431	9.1	26.9	.339	.507	14.0	20.0	.698	12.0	38.4	13.6	6.5	5.0	9.9	15.2	75.3	66.7		13.09	4.52	67.8
10	Syracuse	24	15	9	.625	6	7	11	2	2	5		103.6	102.0	+1.5		27.2	60.9	.446	7.0	21.4	.327	.503	14.3	20.1	.712	9.4	34.9	13.9	9.4	4.5	11.8	15.6	75.6	74.5		8.12	9.08	73.0
11	Florida State	23	13	10	.565	7	5	7	6	4	3		104.8	101.7	+3.1		27.4	61.2	.447	6.1	19.4	.315	.498	15.7	22.7	.692	10.5	34.7	12.4	9.2	4.3	12.1	20.3	76.6	74.3		10.08	7.82	72.7
12	NC State	24	15	9	.625	7	6	11	3	3	4		107.5	100.7	+6.8		27.5	62.4	.440	7.1	21.5	.331	.497	13.3	18.5	.721	10.5	35.8	13.2	7.9	3.0	9.5	17.8	75.4	70.6		10.12	5.33	69.4
13	Louisville	24	8	16	.333	3	10	7	7	1	7		103.7	109.8	-6.0		25.2	57.7	.437	5.6	18.0	.312	.486	17.8	23.6	.755	10.8	35.6	11.1	5.5	2.6	12.9	17.3	73.9	78.2		1.96	6.25	70.8
14	Georgia Tech	24	10	14	.417	3	10	6	6	2	7		102.1	108.6	-6.4		25.5	61.0	.417	8.0	24.6	.324	.482	12.9	18.8	.687	12.0	38.3	13.0	4.6	4.3	12.3	17.6	71.8	76.3		3.56	8.06	68.8
15	Notre Dame	24	8	16	.333	3	10	6	8	1	7		94.5	100.2	-5.7		22.1	55.0	.402	7.3	24.1	.303	.468	10.5	14.5	.724	10.0	36.3	9.8	5.9	2.6	13.5	14.9	62.0	65.8		3.45	7.16	64.6

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I posted conference only games. They tell the story of our conference play. TheCC.com link is temperamental but you can get conference only games as well as full season games.

 

[slugboy]

I posted conference only games. They tell the story of our conference play. TheCC.com link is temperamental but you can get conference only games as well as full season games.

Sports Reference is pretty good in that respect too. I just grabbed the overall stats.

Regarding the 7’4” Purdue center, we could use a beast in the middle. And a Kyle Korver type player.

 

[orientalnc]

Per the TheACC.com we are 5th in 3 point FG% at 35.5% and 9th in 3 point FG% defense. We are 12th in FG% at 42.6% and 9th in FT% at 71%.

ACC Conference only basketball statistics

That's overall stats. I quoting conference only in my post.

 

[orientalnc]

It doesn't matter which filter you use on those stats, shooting is still a problem for us and last night highlighted that. Or, low lighted it.

 

[Root4GT]

Sports Reference is pretty good in that respect too. I just grabbed the overall stats.

Regarding the 7’4” Purdue center, we could use a beast in the middle. And a Kyle Korver type player.

Thanks, good site! Interesting that Kelly's Conference only game numbers are up across the board this year compared to last year less his FT percent which in down from 90 to 75. He has played much better in Conference games than non conference games. Likely him getting used to what CDS demands from him as an all around player. He is shooting more 2 point FGs and FTs this year than in past years.

Most of us just remember the bad OOC games he had shooting. He is shooting 39.8% on three point shots in the 13 Conference games this year. That is a good %!