How Much Time Is Reasonable To Evaluate CDS?

candrewk

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I appreciate the humor but there’s a slight difference between these two office suitors. One is a complete con artist who clearly wasn’t bothered too much by losing. The other guy will not be interested in sticking around if he can’t start winning.
I feel like this is a fairly charitable interpretation of Damon’s intentions, but can’t disagree with the first part of your point. I have a little bit less tolerance for the turnaround of our basketball program if I’m being completely honest.
 

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At some point you have to make it happen. I’m talking progress, not perfection. Yes, I think next year is it.

But… what would you say? It’s easy to toss stones, what would be your estimate?
I actually like 3 years. But, my point was that next year isn't really 3 years because there's been so much turn-over.
 

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I actually like 3 years. But, my point was that next year isn't really 3 years because there's been so much turn-over.
But isn’t that going to be every year going forward? I don’t like it, but that seems to be basically what college sports have become.
 

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He has not played as consistently this season. Many of his fouls have been setting screens. That is 100% on him. He also has not shot as well this season. He range is still limited and his foul shooting is still below average FT shooter. Still he is probably our most valuable player.
Teams have simply wised up to the pick and roll that he benifited from last year. They just don't bite on the roll part and leave George to shoot. He still plays just as hard. His FT % is down I admit.
 

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You know quickly. Three years is good bc it looks fine for future hires

7 years is given when you don’t DGAF.

It’s not about continuity and program building any longer. You either got it or you don’t.

Ole Miss, Georgia, Louisville, West Virginia, Michigan, Texas Tech, Missouri, SMU all have coaches with three years of fewer at their schools. You know immediately they made great hires. You don’t have forty people on a message board talking about how “cOAch K wASnT gREat TIl yEAr foUR”
 

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You are talking about schools with an athletic department and programs that are bigger than any coach they hire. Kids want to play sports there. Coaches want to coach there. You can include St John’s as well. Kids have little interest in playing sports at GT. Coaches have no interest in coaching here. CDS is bigger than GT’s basketball program and despite the ragging he’s called a great recruiter. Why? In basketball the name Damon Stoudamire means a lot more than the name Yelllow Jackets. Who else is willing to try and rebuild a basketball program from ashes? Every school you mentioned has a coach that I seriously doubt would ever take this job.

Batt had no applicants. He had to search and find a guy that never applied for the job. Thank goodnsss the AD decisions are not made by a committee made up of posters on this forum. The guy just gets one of the top big men in the country, a class ranked as high as 16 and all the basketball gurus here are still talking more about how much more leash he should be allowed. Jaeden Mustaf joined Reeves & O’Brien in boots this week. Lance Terry is recovering from a wrist injury. If they don’t play today the team is down to walk-ons and guys still get their panties knotted up complaining about losses.

And we live in an entirely new world of NIL & portal sports and a generation of kids that ain’t so easy to coach. CDS isn’t even through year 2 and has a team more suited to a hospital ward than a basketball court. Keep ragging on CDS everyone. Sports experts been doing that to him all his life. I’m sure he can take it.
 
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You are talking about schools with an athletic department and programs that are bigger than any coach they hire. Kids want to play sports there. Coaches want to coach there. You can include St John’s as well. Kids have little interest in playing sports at GT. Coaches have no interest in coaching here. CDS is bigger than GT’s basketball program and despite the ragging he’s called a great recruiter. Why? In basketball the name Damon Stoudamire means a lot more than the name Yelllow Jackets. Who else is willing to try and rebuild a basketball program from ashes? Every school you mentioned has a coach that I seriously doubt would ever take this job.

Batt had no applicants. He had to search and find a guy that never applied for the job. Thank goodnsss the AD decisions are not made by a committee made up of posters on this forum. The guy just gets one of the top big men in the country, a class ranked as high as 16 and all the basketball gurus here are still talking more about how much more leash he should be allowed. Jaeden Mustaf joined Reeves & O’Brien in boots this week. Lance Terry is recovering from a wrist injury. If they don’t play today the team is down to walk-ons and guys still get their panties knotted up complaining about losses.

And we live in an entirely new world of NIL & portal sports and a generation of kids that ain’t so easy to coach. CDS isn’t even through year 2 and has a team more suited to a hospital ward than a basketball court. Keep ragging on CDS everyone. Sports experts been doing that to him all his life. I’m sure he can take it.
Is the team better than last year? if you think yes then CDS is doing his job. If you think no, then DA isn't doing his job. I for one see little improvement from last year. Nait is more physically matured but his game is not. Baye isn't any better. The misses he had from the portal are not good. The misses from the first recruiting class also not good when you're trying to rebuild. 2 of the stud recruits from last year see zero minutes. That isn't good. So to say he recruits well is still debatable. Basketball is the worst for handing out stars to recruits that aren't that good. Not all 4 and 5 star hs basketball recruits are worth the pub. After year 2 his grade is a D. You would think being a nba pg his offense would be better and ball security would be more important.
 

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You are talking about schools with an athletic department and programs that are bigger than any coach they hire. Kids want to play sports there. Coaches want to coach there. You can include St John’s as well. Kids have little interest in playing sports at GT. Coaches have no interest in coaching here. CDS is bigger than GT’s basketball program and despite the ragging he’s called a great recruiter. Why? In basketball the name Damon Stoudamire means a lot more than the name Yelllow Jackets. Who else is willing to try and rebuild a basketball program from ashes? Every school you mentioned has a coach that I seriously doubt would ever take this job.

Batt had no applicants. He had to search and find a guy that never applied for the job. Thank goodnsss the AD decisions are not made by a committee made up of posters on this forum. The guy just gets one of the top big men in the country, a class ranked as high as 16 and all the basketball gurus here are still talking more about how much more leash he should be allowed. Jaeden Mustaf joined Reeves & O’Brien in boots this week. Lance Terry is recovering from a wrist injury. If they don’t play today the team is down to walk-ons and guys still get their panties knotted up complaining about losses.

And we live in an entirely new world of NIL & portal sports and a generation of kids that ain’t so easy to coach. CDS isn’t even through year 2 and has a team more suited to a hospital ward than a basketball court. Keep ragging on CDS everyone. Sports experts been doing that to him all his life. I’m sure he can take it.
Applicants? This isn’t a job at the local paper mill. You identify Dennis Gates at Cleveland State and you go get him after he just spent eight years at Florida State eating our lunch recruiting Georgia.
 

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Applicants? This isn’t a job at the local paper mill. You identify Dennis Gates at Cleveland State and you go get him after he just spent eight years at Florida State eating our lunch recruiting Georgia.
Think you’re a year late on that one. He’s been HC at Missouri for a year before Pastner was fired. BTW, the Tigers went 8-24 his second year. By this forum’s standards he should have been canned before this season.
 
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You are talking about schools with an athletic department and programs that are bigger than any coach they hire. Kids want to play sports there. Coaches want to coach there. You can include St John’s as well. Kids have little interest in playing sports at GT. Coaches have no interest in coaching here. CDS is bigger than GT’s basketball program and despite the ragging he’s called a great recruiter. Why? In basketball the name Damon Stoudamire means a lot more than the name Yelllow Jackets. Who else is willing to try and rebuild a basketball program from ashes? Every school you mentioned has a coach that I seriously doubt would ever take this job.

Batt had no applicants. He had to search and find a guy that never applied for the job. Thank goodnsss the AD decisions are not made by a committee made up of posters on this forum. The guy just gets one of the top big men in the country, a class ranked as high as 16 and all the basketball gurus here are still talking more about how much more leash he should be allowed. Jaeden Mustaf joined Reeves & O’Brien in boots this week. Lance Terry is recovering from a wrist injury. If they don’t play today the team is down to walk-ons and guys still get their panties knotted up complaining about losses.

And we live in an entirely new world of NIL & portal sports and a generation of kids that ain’t so easy to coach. CDS isn’t even through year 2 and has a team more suited to a hospital ward than a basketball court. Keep ragging on CDS everyone. Sports experts been doing that to him all his life. I’m sure he can take it.
Oh please 🙄
 

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Is the team better than last year? if you think yes then CDS is doing his job. If you think no, then DA isn't doing his job. I for one see little improvement from last year. Nait is more physically matured but his game is not. Baye isn't any better. The misses he had from the portal are not good. The misses from the first recruiting class also not good when you're trying to rebuild. 2 of the stud recruits from last year see zero minutes. That isn't good. So to say he recruits well is still debatable. Basketball is the worst for handing out stars to recruits that aren't that good. Not all 4 and 5 star hs basketball recruits are worth the pub. After year 2 his grade is a D. You would think being a nba pg his offense would be better and ball security would be more important.

Some of the problem the team isn't better than last year is Reeves, O'Brien, and Mustaf are wearing boots. McCollum was out with a concussion and Onwuchekwa has personal problems. CDS appears to be a better recruiter than coach. If he can start winning with better healthier players, IMO he is a keeper. Just keep the contracts less than 5 years.
 
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Think you’re a year late on that one. He’s been HC at Missouri for a year before Pastner was fired. BTW, the Tigers went 8-24 his second year. By this forum’s standards he should have been canned before this season.
Yes I’m well aware of who where and when.

Actually by this forums standards he was halfway to a special season.
 

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Some of the problem the team isn't better than last year is Reeves, O'Brien, and Mustaf are wearing boots. McCollum was out with a concussion and Onwuchekwa has personal problems. CDS appears to be a better recruiter than coach. If he can start winning with better healthier players, IMO he is a keeper. Just keep the contracts less than 5 years.
I'm watching Nait and Bye and their development is minimal at best. The big fr center has quit the team because he doesn't like being coached. The other fr 4* Sutton is no wheres to be found. The injuries aren't a good excuse because everyone has them. Thecteam wasn't playing well with them early on. Actually the team excelt for Boston college and Notre Dame games have played the same poor shooting and ball security all year. They talent on the team is as big of question as the coaching is.
 

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Is the team better than last year? if you think yes then CDS is doing his job. If you think no, then DA isn't doing his job. I for one see little improvement from last year. Nait is more physically matured but his game is not. Baye isn't any better. The misses he had from the portal are not good. The misses from the first recruiting class also not good when you're trying to rebuild. 2 of the stud recruits from last year see zero minutes. That isn't good. So to say he recruits well is still debatable. Basketball is the worst for handing out stars to recruits that aren't that good. Not all 4 and 5 star hs basketball recruits are worth the pub. After year 2 his grade is a D. You would think being a nba pg his offense would be better and ball security would be more important.
We had 2 transfers who were thought to be major contributors, McCollum and O'Brien. McCollum has been what was expected, however he missed 4 complete games with injuries and was limited in 2-3 more. O'Brien has played in 10 of 18 games and was hurt in several he played in as well. That has severely limited his contributions. Powell has exceeded any expectation as a transfer. Mutombo was never expected to see the court for more than a few minutes occasionally.

For the returning guys, Terry has exceeded expectations. Reeves has only played in 6 of 18 games. His absence has been a major hole. Ndongo and George are playing similarly to last year. No major jump in their games.

For the incoming freshmen, Doryan was playing as expected but left the team. Big loss but there clearly was a reason. Mustaf has played as expected but he is now in a boot. Sutton has been a non factor.

The team as a whole clearly is not playing as well as we hoped. This was never going to be an NCAA Tournament team but realistically getting above .500 was a good goal. That does not appear to be in the cards this season.

We lose a lot this off season. We have some very highly rated recruits coming in. No way to know what next season will look like at this point. This is what GT BB has been for a very long time!
 

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But isn’t that going to be every year going forward? I don’t like it, but that seems to be basically what college sports have become.
Yes, I agree. I think we'll see 50-75% turnover every year in basketball moving forward until the powers that be make it so that it doesn't happen.

But that wasn't the comment I was responding to.
 

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We lose a lot this off season. We have some very highly rated recruits coming in. No way to know what next season will look like at this point. This is what GT BB has been for a very long time!

"I was a student when Bobby Cremins was hired. Bobby Cremins was a friend of mine. Coach Stoudamire, you're no Bobby Cremins."
 
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