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wreckrod said:
I'm sure there's a better answer but first thing I would try is play-action out of our base set with the BB assigned to block the blitzing safety. Have both A backs run go routes or like a go and a corner. Only read QB has to make is which way AB the deep safety is taking. Unless they have insanely fast linebackers the ABs will blow right by them.

If anything it'd just be a check the QB could use at will. If safety is showing blitz and all up on the line then he's not going to make it back into coverage of either AB. I could be wrong, but seems like with a 5 step drop, 1 thousand 1, QB should be turning it loose cause someone is going to be open.
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FWIW, this is the answer, and the whole danger of Johnson's offense.

It presents 4 verts at the snap, so you CAN'T overcommit, because he'll call 4 verts, and it's 6.

It's what makes this offense a terrifying upgrade of the wishbone, because the wingbacks are now an immediate threat in the passing game, rather than having to wait for them to clear the backfield like back in the day.
 
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I know some folks dislike the dive play. However; up the gut is the quickest way to gain yards. The dive is one missed tackle away from huge yards. So, that gut gets tested. We struggle against teams that have size and speed in the middle front lines. We know this. But, nonetheless, its part of the offense.
 

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wreckrod said:
I'm sure there's a better answer but first thing I would try is play-action out of our base set with the BB assigned to block the blitzing safety. Have both A backs run go routes or like a go and a corner. Only read QB has to make is which AB the deep safety is taking. Unless they have insanely fast linebackers the ABs will blow right by them. Have the WR run a post or dig route crossing in front of the corner route AB. On the other side the AB and WR both run go's.

If anything it'd just be a check the QB could use at will. If safety is showing blitz and all up on the line then he's not going to make it back into coverage of either AB. I could be wrong, but seems like with a 5 step drop, 1 thousand 1, QB should be turning it loose cause someone is going to be open. You're putting 4 recievers into a secondary with only 3 defenders.
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There are actually quite a few options. Even a rocket toss can attack this defense. It just depends on several things. Sometimes the safeties shoot gaps, sometimes the linebackers line up right on top/behind each DE. There are tons of variations in this type of attacking defense. Not only can you run go routes for the ABs, but you can also have the BB run a delay screen off that, to fill in the space the ABs left. Even a straight dive can attack this, because depending on which gaps the safeties/linebackers are trying to shoot you can end up with having 1 man to beat and then nothing but daylight on the other side.
 

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I don't think it's a scheme thing that gets us out of sorts sometimes e.g. vs. Clemson. Sometimes there's an adjustment that makes it easier, but with the right reads and execution of blocks, no one ever throws us something we aren't already prepared to attack. If, however you play an aggressive scheme and have some athletic success early at the LOS to blow up plays, we can get spooked into making the wrong reads, hesitating, or blowing assignments and it looks like the defense has a scheme that we don't have an answer for, but really we are instead failing to recognize or implement that solution instead.

If I were coaching a defense against us, I wouldn't plan anything special but instead would have multiple looks and be aggressive in different places at different times just with the goal of eroding the O's confidence.

Then again, I've never played or coached a down of football in my life.
 

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With scheme you cannot stop all of what is in CPJ's bag of tricks. You can decide to stop certain things (gamble we cannot beat you with the pass, or the unproven BB, or make the QB pitch or beat you with the run) but if the GT O is executing you are in trouble. The best D is where you cover the receivers and multiple D players consistently execute their assignments and beat the blocks. This usually requires superior talent.
 

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elwoodgt said:
I've been wondering about that. Duke did that to us a couple of years ago with their awesome safety Cash. Awful game, sat in the rain all day... Anyway. He shot the gaps all dam day and blew us up. I think we finally tightened the line late and made some headway, but I couldn't tell what changes we made to counteract that defense. Any ideas? What do you run to beat a safety who's living in your backfield?
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Well, a couple of points. It only works if you have someone like Cash or the guy from Virginia Tech Kam Chandler (Chancellor?). Those guys don't grow on trees. Secondly, bringing him up leaves everyone else pretty much in man coverage. You best make sure to block him blitzing and hit one of the Abacks on a seam route but the throw must be quick and accurate. Something like wreckrod is proposing. Problem is, we have lacked the blocking to give the quarterback time to pick out the best Aback who will be open. I think it is crazy to bring the safety up all the time but Duke got away with it which tells you the problems we had in 2015. Personally, taking away the pitch with the Abacks would be a higher priority if I were the defensive coordinator playing Tech but that's just me.
 

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YJMD said:
I don't think it's a scheme thing that gets us out of sorts sometimes e.g. vs. Clemson. Sometimes there's an adjustment that makes it easier, but with the right reads and execution of blocks, no one ever throws us something we aren't already prepared to attack. If, however you play an aggressive scheme and have some athletic success early at the LOS to blow up plays, we can get spooked into making the wrong reads, hesitating, or blowing assignments and it looks like the defense has a scheme that we don't have an answer for, but really we are instead failing to recognize or implement that solution instead.

If I were coaching a defense against us, I wouldn't plan anything special but instead would have multiple looks and be aggressive in different places at different times just with the goal of eroding the O's confidence.

Then again, I've never played or coached a down of football in my life.
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You may not have played football but what you posted is very sound advice for any coach having to defend the triple option. To me, penetration by someone is key to disrupting the timing and reads of the quarterback. It could be a safety, defensive tackle or an end. Standing around and letting some SOB blindside you with a crack back block is not my idea of sound defense.
 
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It's hard for me to tell when I'm watching the game live because I'm always trying to follow the ball, but I believe we saw a lot of belly plays last night. Our first possession after half-time specifically. I was looking for the guard kick out and sure enough there it was. We ran some heavy on this series too. The other thing that tipped me off was lack of mesh. I suspect that we ran a lot of this last night. Curious if anyone else noticed the same?
 
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Dustman said:
It's hard for me to tell when I'm watching the game live because I'm always trying to follow the ball, but I believe we saw a lot of belly plays last night. Our first possession after half-time specifically. I was looking for the guard kick out and sure enough there it was. We ran some heavy on this series too. The other thing that tipped me off was lack of mesh. I suspect that we ran a lot of this last night. Curious if anyone else noticed the same?
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Yes, because of how they were using the MLB, we ran a lot of belly. I think our first TD was a belly series (for our O).
 
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AE 87 said:
Yes, because of how they were using the MLB, we ran a lot of belly. I think our first TD was a belly series (for our O).
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Thanks AE. What was the 2 pt conversion? It looked like Parker kicked outside from the picture that ibeeballin posted.
 
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Dustman said:
Thanks AE. What was the 2 pt conversion? It looked like Parker kicked outside from the picture that ibeeballin posted.
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I'm not sure what the play was. I have a bare-bones flexbone playbook. Based on the OL, QB, and B-Back, it looks like a Speed-option to the weak side, but my playbook only has speed options to the strong side. Also, if it were a speed option, Quon should have gone more outside.
 
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It is fun talking x's and o's at the water cooler, not so much fun sitting in a cold, dark room watching hours and hours of tape though....:dead:

There is an old saying, "It's not the x's and the o's, its the Jimmy's and the Joe's."

At the end of the day, no matter how its drawn up, players have to block, tackle, execute, hold on to the ball, make a good throw, make the right pre-snap read, run the right route based on the coverage your getting, read your keys, know their tendencies based on down/distance/formation/position on the field, etc..

Alot of times, the play call is really a small part in the overall success of the play itself
 
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56JacketDE said:
as a sidenote:

The Belly play has its origins in the 1950s with former Georgia Tech coach Bobby Dodd and his Old T offense.
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Quite true that Dodd was one of the first big name coaches to use the belly series; however, Dodd really picked up on it from college all-star Eddie LeBaron -- who became a star QB at Pacific under coach Larry Siemering. Dodd and staff certainly refined the belly series and add to it.

http://www.recordnet.com/article/20060731/SPORTS/607310323

http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2017/02/28/fifty-years-ago-this-month-at-georgia-tech/
 
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