GT Athletics Budget

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Students aren’t on campus to finance athletic programs though. They’re on campus to further their education. Sports are supposed to be a fun escape, not some industry they’re responsible for funding. A couple hundred bucks is a lot of money for a college kid, especially in this economy. I think you’d find out pretty quick how displeased the student body would be over raised athletic fees.
You can scan Reddit to confirm this, several GT student discussion threads over the years about fees. The athletic fee is just one in a long list, adds up to a lot of money. I saw a Clemson student thread pushing back on their new fee. Grad students in particular will largely oppose activity fees.
 

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I worked and paid my own way through college quarter by quarter. It was less than about $300/quarter, but I only made $3/hour, too. So 100 hours of work/quarter did it. The cost of college today is criminally obscene, IMPO.

There was always a student activity fee, but it was far less than today.
You got that right. I was working at the Disco Kroger while at GT...pulling the graveyard shift on Friday nights so I could go to the games on Saturday. I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that the state used to provide a lot more direct funding to state universities as an investment in the future and to keep costs down for students.
 

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You got that right. I was working at the Disco Kroger while at GT...pulling the graveyard shift on Friday nights so I could go to the games on Saturday. I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that the state used to provide a lot more direct funding to state universities as an investment in the future and to keep costs down for students.
Ummm, these subsidies are a huge reason for the skyrocketing costs.
 

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You can scan Reddit to confirm this, several GT student discussion threads over the years about fees. The athletic fee is just one in a long list, adds up to a lot of money. I saw a Clemson student thread pushing back on their new fee. Grad students in particular will largely oppose activity fees.
Grad students are the ones hwo should pay more for athletic fees. MANY of the grad students are having their costs covered either by companies or countries (significant % are out of country), so they can probably afford it easily enough. Maybe make it something tied to state of origin (Georgia residents get a break, but not others). Let undergrads go for less money and build their fandom that way. Grad students don’t attend anyway….
 

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Ummm, these subsidies are a huge reason for the skyrocketing costs.
Please explain. In the 70's and early 80's, tuition was $300 or $400 per quarter with direct state support to the university and a student could work to pay his/her way through school and graduate with no debt. I paid for tuition, books, on campus housing, etc. working my way through. There is no way on earth to do that now.
 

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Guys, I know there’s always been an athletic fee. Thats not what I’m saying. I’m saying that raising the athletic fee by a large percentage quickly is an easy way to piss off a lot of students. A lot of students that might potentially become fans of GT athletics and therefore donate to GTAA after they graduate.

No offense, but I can tell it’s been a while since a lot of the folks suggesting raising the fee have been in college. You’ve forgotten how volatile an 18-22 year old’s minds are. College kids love to go against “the man.” Sure there are some legacy families that would pay damn near whatever for their kids to go to Tech, but those families and their kids are likely already GT sports fans and a lot of them probably already give in some way to GTAA. But legacies don’t make up the bulk of GT’s undergrad population. I would also guess that the majority of our undergrad population did not grow up GT sports fans, and a fairly large percentage of them are not sports fans at all. Relying on those kids and their families to bankroll GT sports is not a winning strategy. I believe you’re much better off long-term making athletics cheap and easy to get into, and you certainly shouldn’t stir up controversy by charging students outrageous fees in order to cover athletics expenses.

There’s more student support for our athletic programs right now than there has been in a long time. When I was at Tech at the end of Paul’s era, the student section in the north end zone had hundreds if not thousands of empty space. The last game at BDS had the lower north filled, the south end zone mostly filled, and even some overflow in the upper north. Now that we have some momentum with the student body, the last thing you want to do is potentially lose a lot of them.
Gt under CPJ got some sucess for no cost.

We are ethier in or we are out in athletics.

Paul was not a real go getter at marketing.
TFPrez was clueless about the future of athletics.
TFP was a marketer with no substance ( BS er) who had new thing everyday.

It costs more to have Angel, Batt, Key are doing what is needed to make Gt into a big deal in Atl, Athletics, and Academics. We had Ludicrous at Helluva block party, Key goes into student section post wins to celebrate. Key did a radio interview at Frat house by Peter's Park. Athletic coaching recruiting is at higher level.


Angel , Batt and Coaches are all in. Time to get the entire Administration attending athletic events since they budget that cost.
 

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Please explain. In the 70's and early 80's, tuition was $300 or $400 per quarter with direct state support to the university and a student could work to pay his/her way through school and graduate with no debt. I paid for tuition, books, on campus housing, etc. working my way through. There is no way on earth to do that now.
It helped drive up demand, which then led to increased prices. Having a massive 3rd party payer involved, with all the subsidies and easy student loans, shielded the ultimate payer from the actual true costs.
 

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Please explain. In the 70's and early 80's, tuition was $300 or $400 per quarter with direct state support to the university and a student could work to pay his/her way through school and graduate with no debt. I paid for tuition, books, on campus housing, etc. working my way through. There is no way on earth to do that now.
Ditto, but older so out of state for this fla boy was 400 $/quarter. Thank goodnness for ROTC, and 1.25$/hr job at robbery, great football to watch, cheap braves tickets, varsity. I only was paid 440 $/ month as combat officer in nam

Now, my grand son enlisted in coast guard and received 60k bonus to be a culinary military occupational specialist. He will eventually own a bbq restaurant with best smoked wing you ever have eaten.

Loans for operating cost has been the downfall of us all.
 
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bigrabbit

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Grad students are the ones hwo should pay more for athletic fees. MANY of the grad students are having their costs covered either by companies or countries (significant % are out of country), so they can probably afford it easily enough. Maybe make it something tied to state of origin (Georgia residents get a break, but not others). Let undergrads go for less money and build their fandom that way. Grad students don’t attend anyway….
I have personally funded many PhD engineering students, and they are the low paid labor force behind our top researchers, who largely account for the school rank and reputation. Yes phd students probably don’t go to so many games - good logical reason to, if anything, exempt them vs going after them for money.
Masters students are sort of in between. Bottom line, you will get pushback for more than incremental increases and it’s important to look at total fees beyond just athletic.
 

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It helped drive up demand, which then led to increased prices. Having a massive 3rd party payer involved, with all the subsidies and easy student loans, shielded the ultimate payer from the actual true costs.
The rising costs are largely due to shifting from subsidies into cheap loans. The student-facing cost would be lower if the subsidies were still direct at as high a proportion of total university spend.

Low-interest, deferred-payment loans screwed with everything because they were pitched to kids with little financial education and increasingly to more and more families without as much experience/education there as more and more of the population was pushed to go to college. So the pain of it going from 1 to 3 to 5 to 10 thousand a semester is deadened since you won’t experience the true cost for at least four years if not much longer (with income-based repayment plans) or so.

So people can - on paper - easily pay more so you get spending wars for nicer dorms and perks etc.

Direct state subsidies was a much better system because the chain of spending was much more obvious and much more directly accountable. Too many cooks in the kitchen now invested solely in pumping their own numbers.
 

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I have personally funded many PhD engineering students, and they are the low paid labor force behind our top researchers, who largely account for the school rank and reputation. Yes phd students probably don’t go to so many games - good logical reason to, if anything, exempt them vs going after them for money.
Masters students are sort of in between. Bottom line, you will get pushback for more than incremental increases and it’s important to look at total fees beyond just athletic.
The phd students and especially postdocs should one day realize the work they are doing is FAR more valuable than what they’re getting, like the athletes have.

It’s shameful how much $$ you would have to sacrifice compared to industry in some technical fields.

If a bunch of smart Physics PhDs are leaving to make big money doing masters-level stats crap figuring out what ads to show people… what happens to the quality of the long term fundamental research?
 
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I worked and paid my own way through college quarter by quarter. It was less than about $300/quarter, but I only made $3/hour, too. So 100 hours of work/quarter did it. The cost of college today is criminally obscene, IMPO.

There was always a student activity fee, but it was far less than today.
The cost has gotten obscene because of government backed loans. Kids can get almost unlimited loans and colleges know that. The cost of tuition has increased faster than inflation for years. If athletic fees go up, kids just borrow more. There are exceptions to this and I am sure a lot of kids are just getting by. I was as poor as a church mouse when I was a student.
 

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Please explain. In the 70's and early 80's, tuition was $300 or $400 per quarter with direct state support to the university and a student could work to pay his/her way through school and graduate with no debt. I paid for tuition, books, on campus housing, etc. working my way through. There is no way on earth to do that now.

The cost has gotten obscene because of government backed loans. Kids can get almost unlimited loans and colleges know that. The cost of tuition has increased faster than inflation for years. If athletic fees go up, kids just borrow more. There are exceptions to this and I am sure a lot of kids are just getting by. I was as poor as a church mouse when I was a student.
That and even the state scholarships like Hope. Those do have an effect, too. Anytime a retailer knows there are subsidies the price will ultimately rise.
 

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There is also zero fiscal responsibility at most universities. This only goes through 2014. I can only imagine how much worse it is now

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There is also zero fiscal responsibility at most universities. This only goes through 2014. I can only imagine how much worse it is now

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Universities have become bureaucratic cesspools. I believe two major reasons: 1) Relatively flat organizational structures offer few advancement ops, and 2) The notion that research has to be done in universities.

First, the proliferation of deans, associate deans, assistant deans, etc.,is evidence. Second, go check out how much R&D used to be done at places like Bell Labs. To do that level of research requires major funding and salaries of professors who cannot and prefer not to teach. The private sector will almost always be more efficient than academia.
 
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Then you have the double whammy where the admins pay goes up so much.

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There’s also the infrastructure refresh. Whole buildings are being demolished and rebuilt new because of the flood of cash into universities driven by the student loan program. That’s a major reason why so many universities are quiet re societal issues. It’s hard to bite the hand that feeds you.
 

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I worked and paid my own way through college quarter by quarter. It was less than about $300/quarter, but I only made $3/hour, too. So 100 hours of work/quarter did it. The cost of college today is criminally obscene, IMPO.

There was always a student activity fee, but it was far less than today.
My husband co-oped, and was able to pay out of state tuition, and all his other expenses for the year on his co-op salary. Now tuition is 8x, housing seems about 4x, but co-op salary only up about 1.5-2x. My son is there now, same major, also co-ops, also out of state, but we've had to help out

Also the co-op program is not near as good as it used to be when it was on quarters.
 

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It helped drive up demand, which then led to increased prices. Having a massive 3rd party payer involved, with all the subsidies and easy student loans, shielded the ultimate payer from the actual true costs.
Anyone priced out healthcare lately. Shared risk, if not done equitably, can ultimately drive up prices.
 

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My husband co-oped, and was able to pay out of state tuition, and all his other expenses for the year on his co-op salary. Now tuition is 8x, housing seems about 4x, but co-op salary only up about 1.5-2x. My son is there now, same major, also co-ops, also out of state, but we've had to help out

Also the co-op program is not near as good as it used to be when it was on quarters.
I was a co-op on the quarter system in the 70’s. Like most freshman co-ops at the time, I was paid at or near minimum wage.
As an out-of-state student, it was a struggle to make ends meet and I had to get some help from my dad until I was able to obtain Georgia residency after a couple of years. Kudos to your husband for managing his expenses well.
 
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