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Minawreck

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I loved what the Redskins did with RG3 prior to his injury, but even there you saw a player and agent fight against the team because he wanted to protect and advance his brand.

So in conclusion, I'm not a doubter that the offense would work. I'm more of a doubter in the required level of character from the professionals you'd need to work with in order to be successful.

Look at Desean Jackson, who essentially walked from Philly because there is no such thing as a featured receiver in a Chip Kelly offense and you better block.
 

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Nevermind the NFL, but i do wonder why some other college teams aren't hiring CPJ diciples and following GT's lead, teams like Vanderbuilt, Purdue or Virginia etc?
 

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Nevermind the NFL, but i do wonder why some other college teams aren't hiring CPJ diciples and following GT's lead, teams like Vanderbuilt, Purdue or Virginia etc?

I remember when Bob Davie (former ND head coach) was an announcer that he stated he would run this offense if he went back to coaching. Don't know if he followed up on that, but if we have similar success for a couple more years, (e.g. beat dwags 3 straight years) I would bet we see more teams running it.
 

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I remember when Bob Davie (former ND head coach) was an announcer that he stated he would run this offense if he went back to coaching. Don't know if he followed up on that, but if we have similar success for a couple more years, (e.g. beat dwags 3 straight years) I would bet we see more teams running it.
doing it from the gun
 

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I loved what the Redskins did with RG3 prior to his injury, but even there you saw a player and agent fight against the team because he wanted to protect and advance his brand.

So in conclusion, I'm not a doubter that the offense would work. I'm more of a doubter in the required level of character from the professionals you'd need to work with in order to be successful.

Look at Desean Jackson, who essentially walked from Philly because there is no such thing as a featured receiver in a Chip Kelly offense and you better block.

I've never really heard much about the theory that RG3 doesn't run the Pistol anymore because his agent forced the team to stop. Funny that for all the talk about the option getting him hurt, his two catastrophic injuries in the first season came on passing plays.

Running QB's are much more likely to get hurt in an ordinary pro system because they are tempted to scramble and run from the pocket, which is where things get hairy as opposed to a read-option keep where the field is cut in half and they can go out of bounds or slide once the pursuit catches up. Don't tell that to the myopic jerks running the NFL though.
 

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PJ used to tell me his offense would work in the NFL. I told him he was out of his (bleeping) mind. He'd go, no, because of instead of spending $10 million on one dropback QB, spend $3 million each on three option QBs.
I have no doubt in my mind that CPJ's offense would work in the NFL. Watch how many tackles there are for loss in the games this weekend. CPJ would reduce those to just a few per game. Could you imagine having Philadelphia's roster under CPJ?
 

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There is no doubt in my mind CPJ's offense would work at thie NFL level. The extra practice time and the ability to draft the ONLY option QB used in the league would throw it over the top. It might take a couple years to get the roster right, but it would work.
 

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Why would Reggie Bush sign a contract to be an A-Back?

Why would any runnning back sign a contract to be a B-Back?

What does it do for their future profssional contracts?

I've seen many NFL defenders in effect play both men on an option it's when they hesitate and sit on their heels that the plays work really well.

What I mean by in effect is at least slow down or force early decisions.

And I don't mean any of this to deter people from thinking what college system they play in affects their draftablity much more than a hill of beans because I don't.

But I do believe that a professional team would have to run the option against the wishes of agents, potential draftees, and in many cases their fans so it would very much be an all-in proposition that a college frankly doesn't have to deal with.

This is a fascinating thread and I agree with several points made by both sides. PJ knows football more than anybody and if he says it would work, it could.

But just look at the backlash against option football in the NFL. It's not just cognitive dissonance on a mass level, which is definitely there in spades -- it's out and out hostile.

The NFL successfully changed the narrative of the Broncos 2011 season to that of a dim-witted, laughable religious nut who played worse than your grandmother and 100% lucked his way into the playoffs, instead of the real story -- which was that a last-place club implemented a "college" playbook mid-season and led the league in rushing, exhausting defenses by the 4th quarter, with a QB who brought an Urban Meyer acumen and attitude to the position. Make no mistake, other coaches, executives, media hated it...and still take it out on poor Timmy.

After the 49ers' Pistol offense rushed for 300+ yards to beat the Packers in 2012, Pete Prisco wrote a column the next off-season called "NFL Option QB's Prepare To Get Blasted." He was salivating over QB's getting concussions because he personally disliked the style of plays they ran. Especially given the changing culture toward head injuries, it stands as one of the most vicious, unethical and mean-spirited sports columns ever written. Not to mention he was also wrong -- Kaepernick & Griffin have been racked, sacked and banged up five-fold since their coaches inexplicably phased out the 11 x 11 running game.

The Carolina Panthers offense has been called "unwatchable" on ESPN after last week's playoff win, because they essentially ran Oregon's offense. Never mind they scored 27 points on one of the best defenses in the league.

What strikes me most is the randomness and bitterness of how/when the subject even comes up. On a recent Inside the NFL, during a discussion of Aaron Rodgers, Boomer Esiason suddenly got this sour little-kid look on his face and said "You gotta throw the ball down the field. All that option stuff, that's a lot of crap." Never mind that read-option nightmare Russell Wilson and the Seahawks just beat Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl by 100 points.

And the most ridiculous part is the constant implication that run-heavy, option style offense has to be boring. You know what's boring? Watching two tall, slow white guys compete to see who can stand in one spot and complete more generic 8-yard out patterns and button hooks. Tebow was beloved around the world. Kaepernick was a sensation. So was RG3. It was only after those players were stuck in ill-fitted, outmoded, in-vogue offenses that their play diminished, and so did their fanbases. Self-fulfilled prophecy.

I noticed that there was a "hire Paul Johnson" thread on Atlantafalcons.com last week; it was deleted by a moderator.

So a PJ (or PJ disciple) hire by an NFL team wouldn't just be dealing with problems on the field -- there would be a (mostly media-manufactured) outcry and call to arms from the league establishment and their legions of influence. Cut-blocking, which is borderline taboo in the pros already, would probably just be banned in response after one season of wild success.

"Illegal Flexbone formation, on the offense, 15 yards and loss of down."
 
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As they say, football is football at any level.

"When I first came into the NFL, everyone said you just couldn't run anymore in the pros because the defenses were too large and too mobile. They forgot that everything in football as in physics is relative, and that offenses could be every bit as big and just as mobile." -- Vince Lombardi
 
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