Despite all the squawk you've heard from Temple fans on here-

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No, I’m refuting your statement that Rhule left at an “opportune” time. Collins inherited players from those 10 win teams and one of the conference’s best recruiting classes and promptly went 7-6, 1-5 against teams with winning records iirc.

I find it interesting that our head coach has two years of experience as a head coach, and you’ve created a thread to provide excuses for why one of those two years wasn’t good.
I created a thread to dispute misinformation that Collins lead Temple backwards and was a worse coach than Rhule. There is no objective evidence to indicate he was left with as good of a team in 2017 as Rhule had in 2016, especially considering the loss of a 4 year starter at QB, loss of top rusher, loss of an NFL 1st round pick (unheard of at Temple) and only 9 starters returning. For anyone who follows college football closely, 9 starters returning is mighty, mighty low. That means you had 13 seniors or otherwise left the program that were starters. WOW!
 

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Makes sense ... Unfortunately some might be to blinded to see.
Temple’s recruiting classes the three years prior to Collins were 4, 5, and 2 in the AAC. Let’s not act like Collins had to come in and perform a miracle to go 7-6.
 

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Temple’s recruiting classes the three years prior to Collins were 4, 5, and 2. Let’s not act like Collins had to come in and perform a miracle to go 7-6.
When you consider that they beat Navy (4-4), their record would have put them at 5th overall in the AAC across both divisions, with a tight one TD loss to Houston. If you go back one more year (because seniors would go back 4 or 5, not just 3 years) their recruiting class was ranked behind UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, SMU and Tulsa, putting them at 8th in the AAC. So, that finish wasn't really unexpected.
 

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This is the DC at Temple and he's a Cartersville native with coaching experience at Kennesaw State. Perhaps he'll be coming back home to Georgia too:


Andrew Thacker was named Temple's linebacker coach in January 2017. He was promoted to the role of defensive coordinator / linebackers a year later.

In 2017, he inherited a unit that graduated all three starters from the previous year. He groomed three sophomores - Shaun Bradley, Chapelle Russell, and Sam Franklin - and one redshirt freshman - Isaiah Graham-Mobley - into a fast, ball-hungry group.

Following the 2017 regular season, Thacker was tabbed for the American Football Coaches Foundation annual 35 Under 35 Coaches Leadership Institute. The program is “aimed at identifying and developing premier, future leaders in the football coaching profession.”

Thacker came from Kennesaw State, were he served as a linebackers coach during the 2016 season. He helped guide the team to an 8-3 record, which was the program's best in their short history. That season, linebackers Anthony Gore and Izzy Sam led the Owls in tackles and were both second-team All-Big South selections. He was also a big part of a defense that ranked first in Big South in scoring (27.1) and rushing defense (130.3) and second in total defense (321.8).

Prior to Kennesaw State, Thacker was the safeties coach at UCF in 2015, returning to the Knights’ program after previously serving as a defensive graduate assistant from 2008-09. While coaching the safeties, Thacker was also responsible for recruiting the Northern Florida area.

Thacker returned to the Knights following one season as a defensive assistant with the Atlanta Falcons. In 2014, he helped Atlanta rank 12th in the NFL in interceptions and assisted LB Paul Worrilow to pick up 142 tackles, which ranked fifth in the league that year. In 2013, Thacker was the safeties coach at the University of Southern Mississippi. During that season, three of his safeties were top five on the team in tackles, including DeBarriaus Miller who led the team with 92 tackles.

He previously served as the defensive graduate assistant from 2010-12 at Oklahoma State where he was mainly responsible for the linebackers. The Cowboys went 11-2 in 2010 and defeated Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. The 2011 season followed with more success, as they were the Big 12 Champions finishing with a 12-1 record and No. 3 final AP ranking after a win over Stanford in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. In 2012, Oklahoma State was 8-5 including a win over Purdue in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. He helped OSU's linebackers Caleb Lavey and Shaun Lewis achieve All-Big 12 honorable mention status in 2012.

While Thacker was a graduate assistant at UCF, he worked closely with current Temple head coach Geoff Collins who was the Knights’ linebackers coach from 2008-09. In 2008, the Knights’ defense allowed just 333.8 yards per game, led by All-Conference USA first team defensive backs Sha'reff Rashad and Joe Burnett. UCF recorded an 8-5 record in 2009 that included an appearance in the St. Petersburg Bowl. Defensive end Bruce Miller claimed the C-USA Defensive Player of the Year award, and he was joined by defensive mates Jarvis Geathers and Cory Hogue on the all-league first team.

Thacker played at Furman from (2004-07) where he started at safety for the Paladins. He was the 2004 Southern Conference Freshman of the Year and the 35-15 during Thackers four year career, including making three NCAA FCS Playoff appearances.

The Cartersville, Ga., native received his bachelor's degree from Furman in political science and Spanish in 2007. He is married to the former Liza Calhoun and the couple have a daughter, Caroline Brooks, and a son, Bear.
 

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Yes it does hurt we you lose a large # of starters,Rhule was there from 13-16. The National recruiting rankings ‘14-69. ‘15-80. ‘16-59. Collins was there from 17-18. National recruiting rankings 17-119. ‘18-82. Not exactly scientific, based on red shirts and other things, if everyone played as freshmen in 14 they were Sr in 17. Also their recruiting ranking within the conference 4,5,2,12,7. Rhule last class was 2nd best in the conference.
 

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I watch alot of Florida Gator games as well and his defenses are the only reason UF went to back to back SEC championships.
When has UF not at had at least a good D. O has been their problem, more precisely finding a QB has been their problem.
 

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When you consider that they beat Navy (4-4), their record would have put them at 5th overall in the AAC across both divisions, with a tight one TD loss to Houston. If you go back one more year (because seniors would go back 4 or 5, not just 3 years) their recruiting class was ranked behind UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, SMU and Tulsa, putting them at 8th in the AAC. So, that finish wasn't really unexpected.
Good to know we got a guy who performs to recruiting expectations at a school like GT. Hope he can recruit as well as y’all say, though Collins’ best recruiting classes did not match Rhules’. Another area where Collins underperformed Rhule. Looking forward to watching next year.
 

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Good to know we got a guy who performs to recruiting expectations at a school like GT. Hope he can recruit as well as y’all say, though Collins’ best recruiting classes did not match Rhules’. Another area where Collins underperformed Rhule. Looking forward to watching next year.
The current Temple commits are ranked 57th. Rhule's highest two ranked recruiting classes (I use Rivals) were 59th both times. Who knows how high this class might have been ranked had Collins been able to stay and finish. So, you are wrong saying he underperformed Rhule there also. Rhule's first full class was ranked 84th opposed to Collins's 76th. So, again, on and apples to apples comparison, you're wrong. Collins also has mostly Southern coaches (with the exception of Panagos) who obviously have no connections and background in the Northeast. With time to establish connections, as Rhule had, who knows what they would have achieved in recruiting?
 

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Temple’s recruiting classes the three years prior to Collins were 4, 5, and 2 in the AAC. Let’s not act like Collins had to come in and perform a miracle to go 7-6.
Starters versus replacements... Starters are usually better. In general, having 16 to 22 starters to be replaced = not as good as the next season.
 

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The current Temple commits are ranked 57th. Rhule's highest two ranked recruiting classes (I use Rivals) were 59th both times. Who knows how high this class might have been ranked had Collins been able to stay and finish. So, you are wrong saying he underperformed Rhule there also. Rhule's first full class was ranked 84th opposed to Collins's 76th. So, again, on and apples to apples comparison, you're wrong. Collins also has mostly Southern coaches (with the exception of Panagos) who obviously have no connections and background in the Northeast. With time to establish connections, as Rhule had, who knows what they would have achieved in recruiting?
I use 247 because they use composite data and simply have better data. Collins’ best class was 12 points behind Rhules’. I wonder why you want to use Rivals when 247 has composite information and puts Rhule ahead of Collins?

Rhules first class was in a different conference after Temple was coming off a horrible year. How is that’s apples to apples?
 

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So it’s Collins’ coaching when he succeeds with players he didn’t recruit, but it’s the players when Collins isn’t as successful?
That’s one of my biggest concerns. He hasn’t been anywhere long enough to figure out if what ever you are looking at (recruiting/on field results) is due to him, the previous coach, or just the situation that provided the results.
 
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