Darren Waller's chances

[Wrecking Ball]

I think it's both. It's not about pass volume or whatever, it's about how simple our passing scheme is. Players don't have to read coverages or develop nuanced timing because we play pitch and catch a lot more than the sophisticated nfl stuff.

It's ok to admit shortcomings, folks. Doesn't make our offense any less dominant.

 

[deeeznutz]

True, our WRs are probably not as prepared for some aspects of playing WR in the NFL, but the flip side is they have to be proficient and enthusiastic blockers, something the NFL greatly values. Besides, all you hear from NFL coaches is EVERY player needs a ton of work when they first come in. So it's just a matter of what aspects you have to focus on improving, not really that our guys are behind anyone else.

 

[SidewalkJacket]

I think it's both. It's not about pass volume or whatever, it's about how simple our passing scheme is. Players don't have to read coverages or develop nuanced timing because we play pitch and catch a lot more than the sophisticated nfl stuff.

It's ok to admit shortcomings, folks. Doesn't make our offense any less dominant.

I agree and disagree. We do have a vertical passing game that utilizes less routes, but we also use RnS routes that do require reading of defenses, and timing with QBs. Plus there's the blocking factor that NFL coaches love.

 

[Skeptic]

I think it's both. It's not about pass volume or whatever, it's about how simple our passing scheme is. Players don't have to read coverages or develop nuanced timing because we play pitch and catch a lot more than the sophisticated nfl stuff.

It's ok to admit shortcomings, folks. Doesn't make our offense any less dominant.

Probably. But I didn't read the piece as critical of Tech at all. No arguing with what he said, but that is the nature of the pass offensive scheme. Single up, make a move, go make a play.

 

[GT22]

I remember Stephen Hill's rookie year the Jets were jacked about his blocking on the edge and downfield because he was destroying dbs. I think that is an overlooked and under-appreciated skill, unless you are a GT fan of course.

 

[YJMD]

It seems evident that Darren could have done better if he took getting better more seriously. He lost out to guys (e.g. smelter) who did. His loss and hopefully he has truly matured. Whether our offensive scheme and culture contributed to his lack of development.... It might be true he would have developed differently under a different system but that would be Darren's fault.

 

[AE 87]

Good read but it bothers me when in one paragraph Waller states he didn't do enough in college to get better but then later states that it was the programs fault he isn't better. Maybe he catches a few more passes or becomes the number one receiver if he had tried a little harder.

Yeah, fwiw, I didn't read it that way, but I think I see why you did. Imo, in the latter paragraph, he was saying that the offense he's in now is asking him to do things that he wasn't asked to do in ours. It didn't seem to me that he was using it as an excuse.

 

[zhavenor]

I think it's both. It's not about pass volume or whatever, it's about how simple our passing scheme is. Players don't have to read coverages or develop nuanced timing because we play pitch and catch a lot more than the sophisticated nfl stuff.

It's ok to admit shortcomings, folks. Doesn't make our offense any less dominant.

As stated by other our Wrs and Qb's do read coverages and have routes that change accordingly but the coverages we see are limited by the fact we can run the option on any play and from any formation. The defenses they run out their has to be schematically sound to defend the option. You saw what happened vs NC state last year when they tried to overload a side on 3 and long and Justin check to an option to the opposite side. Therefor what we see is limited and therefore the NFL sees our pass offense as simplistic because it does not need to be. If CPJ was running his offense at the next level the amount of coverages and zone blitzes that defenses could put against us would be limited for the same reason.

 

[Skeptic]

As stated by other our Wrs and Qb's do read coverages and have routes that change accordingly but the coverages we see are limited by the fact we can run the option on any play and from any formation. The defenses they run out their has to be schematically sound to defend the option. You saw what happened vs NC state last year when they tried to overload a side on 3 and long and Justin check to an option to the opposite side. Therefor what we see is limited and therefore the NFL sees our pass offense as simplistic because it does not need to be. If CPJ was running his offense at the next level the amount of coverages and zone blitzes that defenses could put against us would be limited for the same reason.

Isn't this an argument, then, about the size of the midget in the fight?

 

[deeeznutz]

I remember Stephen Hill's rookie year the Jets were jacked about his blocking on the edge and downfield because he was destroying dbs. I think that is an overlooked and under-appreciated skill, unless you are a GT fan of course.

I mentioned this somewhere else, but I've always thought that the opportunities our WRs get to take legal revenge on DBs for hard hits through even harder blocks could be a selling point for recruiting WRs. You get to tell them they don't have to be the ones getting hit all game, you get to catch passes and destroy DBs on crack backs. Seems like a pretty good selling point to me.

 

[zhavenor]

Isn't this an argument, then, about the size of the midget in the fight?

Yah. I guess, but I wanted to point out that the passing offense isn't out dated because its "simplistic". It's "simplistic" because how defenses have to defend it.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

Ok, got it. Rainbow unicorns from Mars will cure cancer next week, and we have both the most sophisticated running attack AND passing attack in NCAA. This board never fails.

 

[JorgeJonas]

Can we just stipulate that it isn't like receivers at schools running spread systems or pro-style systems are doing much more than we do? There simply isn't enough time to teach them that. For what it's worth, our receivers are tasked with adjusting routes based on coverages. Johnson has alluded to receivers and QBs not making the same read on plays before.

 

[deeeznutz]

Any offense out there only has room for so much complexity, the kids don't have enough time to devote to football to go as in-depth as the pros do. As such, most of our complexity is in the blocking/running game. That doesn't mean, however, that our receivers just know "run far down field and catch ball" without any reads/checks. It's not a binary issue here y'all!

 

[Skeptic]

Can we just stipulate that it isn't like receivers at schools running spread systems or pro-style systems are doing much more than we do? There simply isn't enough time to teach them that. For what it's worth, our receivers are tasked with adjusting routes based on coverages. Johnson has alluded to receivers and QBs not making the same read on plays before.

unfortunately, I think, it has become necessary to have not just the best running game in college, now we have to have the best passing game as well. Four wides gives us mostly single coverage, and that means simple routes.

 

[Boomergump]

Oh for God's sake people. Turn on the DVR. (sorry for the emotion) There is little doubt that we don't have to read coverages the same way as NFL receivers do. Do you see where the safeties line up against us? Do you see where their first steps are as defenders? This is not a condemnation of our offense, but rather a flattering compliment. Any scheme that forces the defense to take away from the coverage downfield in the mere hopes of being able to slow down, not stop, mind you, but slow down, the run game, is a darned good one. Yes, Waller has to learn some new stuff at that level. So what!? If there is one thing our offense shows off about our receivers is their ability to destroy "one on one" coverage, win deep balls, and block like a banshee. Those skills are coveted at the next level too.

Our goal is to win COLLEGE football games, not........

Give me safeties lined up 8 yards off the LOS and jab stepping in every snap all day. I will torch that crap over the top when it matters. End of rant.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

Give me safeties lined up 8 yards off the LOS and jab stepping in every snap all day. I will torch that crap over the top when it matters. End of rant.

:39 (the dude had a hold of his jersey from the 20 yd line all the way to the endzone and still couldn't prevent the catch.)

 

[Wrecking Ball]

Oh for God's sake people. Turn on the DVR. (sorry for the emotion) There is little doubt that we don't have to read coverages the same way as NFL receivers do. Do you see where the safeties line up against us? Do you see where their first steps are as defenders? This is not a condemnation of our offense, but rather a flattering compliment. Any scheme that forces the defense to take away from the coverage downfield in the mere hopes of being able to slow down, not stop, mind you, but slow down, the run game, is a darned good one. Yes, Waller has to learn some new stuff at that level. So what!? If there is one thing our offense shows off about our receivers is their ability to destroy "one on one" coverage, win deep balls, and block like a banshee. Those skills are coveted at the next level too.

Our goal is to win COLLEGE football games, not........

Give me safeties lined up 8 yards off the LOS and jab stepping in every snap all day. I will torch that crap over the top when it matters. End of rant.

Thank you Boomer, that's what I was trying to say. Our offense is dominant and a thing of beauty. We don't have to pretend it's anything but what it is to feel great about it.

People go so defensive about it. Relax. We don't need a sophisticated passing attack because the offense doesn't need sophistication there to stress you.

 

[pinglett]

Update on Waller. I think he's perfect at TE.
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...ight-End/5f474362-a1ef-41ea-849b-08e0f3a77c94

 

[deeeznutz]

Update on Waller. I think he's perfect at TE.
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...ight-End/5f474362-a1ef-41ea-849b-08e0f3a77c94

Glad to see our "hive mind" was correct in thinking he'd end up at TE. I bet the Ravens were a little pissed at themselves for putting him on IR with a hammy...they got decimated at WR and I bet he could have contributed late in the season.