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[Augusta_Jacket]

It’s not as if UF had Tebow. Eason was the guy in 16 with similar results

Granted, but there's a reason why Bauta wasn't starting, and a reason why he never started again. Sometimes a defense doesn't have to be good to dominate a game, and the 2015 UF-uga game was one of them. That UF actually had a good defense just exacerbated that situation.

 

[WreckinGT]

In today’s episodes, we will hear about how Brent Key is not a good OL coach

Ill reserve judgement on him for a little bit longer but ranking 130th and 123rd in your first two seasons isn't a great start. Yes I know, unprecedented monumental rebuild, division 5 talent, blah blah blah. If he is one of the best in the business then I would expect a bit more even with those handicaps.

 

[ncjacket79]

Ill reserve judgement on him for a little bit longer but ranking 130th and 123rd in your first two seasons isn't a great start. Yes I know, unprecedented monumental rebuild, division 5 talent, blah blah blah. If he is one of the best in the business then I would expect a bit more even with those handicaps.

It’s interesting that a coach who could basically decide where he wants to be and get a job isn’t good enough for some Tech fans. At some point will we ever understand that it takes talent to win no matter how special some think a coach is?

 

[jgtengineer]

You’re still digging.

So it was the coordinators who did him no favors? Lol this is gold!


Ima let you do the work:

How many starters returned from that Rhule’s 10 win team and on that defense? Who was drafted? I’ve repeated this too many times for us to have the same debate 3+ years later.

Do this same exercise with CPJ too. Let me know what happened when you lose a lot talent to the league or solid depth

2009 vs. 2010
2014 vs. 2015

Again, this is a bad argument

Nah mate it really isn't worth it. You got your guy we'll see how it plays out. I just hope we actually start winning. If you can't see how stacked those florida defenses were that collins stepped into as an outlier anomaly you are being just as blind about it as what you are insinuating others are. In 2015 temple had no one drafted. 2016 3.

 

[gt02]

You’re still digging.

So it was the coordinators who did him no favors? Lol this is gold!


Ima let you do the work:

How many starters returned from that Rhule’s 10 win team and on that defense? Who was drafted? I’ve repeated this too many times for us to have the same debate 3+ years later.

Do this same exercise with CPJ too. Let me know what happened when you lose a lot talent to the league or solid depth

2009 vs. 2010
2014 vs. 2015

Again, this is a bad argument

This is laughable. What does CPJ have anything to do with how good or bad CGC is as a defensive coach?

 

[Ibeeballin]

Ill reserve judgement on him for a little bit longer but ranking 130th and 123rd in your first two seasons isn't a great start. Yes I know, unprecedented monumental rebuild, division 5 talent, blah blah blah. If he is one of the best in the business then I would expect a bit more even with those handicaps.

This is a microcosm what GTswarm has evolved into. The It is what it is board. No mention on kids learning what kick sliding and anchoring for the first time, weight distribution from 100 on hands to balanced on hands, learning the proper track of zone, gap scheme blocking, or how to read a defense since there you’ll see different ones each week.

 

[Ibeeballin]

This is laughable. What does CPJ have anything to do with how good or bad CGC is as a defensive coach?

Why are we arguing if CGC is good DC? It’s just as laughable

 

[Ibeeballin]

Nah mate it really isn't worth it. You got your guy we'll see how it plays out. I just hope we actually start winning. If you can't see how stacked those florida defenses were that collins stepped into as an outlier anomaly you are being just as blind about it as what you are insinuating others are. In 2015 temple had no one drafted. 2016 3.

No no no... let’s keep this thing rolling. No need to duck off now. This is your flawed argument, so let’s keep it rolling. So in one case MSU didn’t have to do much bc they had Dak and he just rode the talent coattail at UF?

Why are you looking at 2015-16. Look at the 2017 draft when CGC became the guy and let us know what happened in the spring.

Good ol factory Mississippi St

As full time DC, MSU gave up 23ppg in 13 & 21ppg 14. Turned former QB Bernardrick McKinney into a 2nd pick and I’m pretty sure CGC recruiting 2* Preston Smith out of Stephenson. Will Redmond still praises him as wells. This is why he is pegged as developer.

Again, if you want debate everything else like time management or something. Go right ahead but this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion

 

[WreckinGT]

It’s interesting that a coach who could basically decide where he wants to be and get a job isn’t good enough for some Tech fans. At some point will we ever understand that it takes talent to win no matter how special some think a coach is?

Im not even talking about winning right now. How much talent does it take to have an OL that isn't one of the worst in college football if you have one of the best OL coaches in college football?

 

[Ibeeballin]

Im not even talking about winning right now. How much talent does it take to have an OL that isn't one of the worst in college football if you have one of the best OL coaches in college football?

More than we had i can tell you that

 

[WreckinGT]

This is a microcosm what GTswarm has evolved into. The It is what it is board. No mention on kids learning what kick sliding and anchoring for the first time, weight distribution from 100 on hands to balanced on hands, learning the proper track of zone, gap scheme blocking, or how to read a defense since there you’ll see different ones each week.

If you want to go player by player and show examples of how much their kick sliding has improved, by all means go ahead, it would actually be interesting, but facts are facts. Key is our highest paid assistant and someone who is heralded as one of the best OL coaches in the country and the rankings at the position he coaches are at the bottom of all of college football. On top of that we haven't exactly been tearing up recruiting at the position either in spite of his reputation as a great recruiter. It's ok to say that he could be doing a better job than he is doing.

 

[Pointer]

More than we had i can tell you that

I can buy the transitioning from a drastically different style more than I can buy the talent thing.

 

[Ibeeballin]

I can buy the transitioning from a drastically different style more than I can buy the talent thing.

Well, it’s both. The selective reasoning is also hilarious! Guys were on here complaining about the OL in 17, &18 about both the talent and recruiting numbers. We took 0 in 19 due to being late recruiting. How could anyone not say it’s talent too? We have been relying on William Lay to play of lot snaps as our center and forced to play Quinney at LT. We’re debating the indefensible

 

[kg01]

Well, it’s both. The selective reasoning is also hilarious! Guys were on here complaining about the OL in 17, &18 about both the talent and recruiting numbers. We took 0 in 19 due to being late recruiting. How could anyone not say it’s talent too? We have been relying on William Lay to play of lot snaps as our center and forced to play Quinney at LT. We’re debating the indefensible

It's called agenda-ing. There's a lot of it going on around here nowadays. It's why I don't even engage with a lotta posters anymore. Sad.

 

[Techster]

Has anyone found concrete evidence of why CPJ sent out that tweet, or are we still just making guesses and going down rabbit holes based on those guesses?

(Dammit...I'm messageboarding all wrong...)

 

[Skeptic]

Serious question: In terms of in game coaching, what is Collins good at?

So far nothing really leaps out, and after two years maybe he is just not a sideline coach. It apparently wasn't evident at Temple. That is not fatal if a coach has outstanding coordinators and a QB coach and gets out of the road. So far, however, that is not evident either. This was a very conservative hire to move away from the Johnson era. Maybe it will all work out.

 

[A Love Supreme]

No no no... let’s keep this thing rolling. No need to duck off now. This is your flawed argument, so let’s keep it rolling. So in one case MSU didn’t have to do much bc they had Dak and he just rode the talent coattail at UF?

Why are you looking at 2015-16. Look at the 2017 draft when CGC became the guy and let us know what happened in the spring.

Good ol factory Mississippi St

As full time DC, MSU gave up 23ppg in 13 & 21ppg 14. Turned former QB Bernardrick McKinney into a 2nd pick and I’m pretty sure CGC recruiting 2* Preston Smith out of Stephenson. Will Redmond still praises him as wells. This is why he is pegged as developer.

Again, if you want debate everything else like time management or something. Go right ahead but this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion

All this talk about Collins as DC at the factory schools but you still haven't explained how he is a good head coach.

 

[jgtengineer]

No no no... let’s keep this thing rolling. No need to duck off now. This is your flawed argument, so let’s keep it rolling. So in one case MSU didn’t have to do much bc they had Dak and he just rode the talent coattail at UF?

Why are you looking at 2015-16. Look at the 2017 draft when CGC became the guy and let us know what happened in the spring.

Good ol factory Mississippi St

As full time DC, MSU gave up 23ppg in 13 & 21ppg 14. Turned former QB Bernardrick McKinney into a 2nd pick and I’m pretty sure CGC recruiting 2* Preston Smith out of Stephenson. Will Redmond still praises him as wells. This is why he is pegged as developer.

Again, if you want debate everything else like time management or something. Go right ahead but this shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion

Again Ibe you are arguing a different point. I already conceded that I was not clear that I was focusing specifically on his qualifications as a defense minded head coach. I will stand by and say he benefitted from some great complimentary football with prescott at msu, and stepped into a mess of talent at florida. But in 2017 temple lost 3 people due to the draft. 2 were defensive a CB and a linebacker. They did lose seniors from the defense but depth and spacing wasn't bad if this ATL chart is relevant (we know ours weren't always)

Temple Releases "Above the Line" Chart for Notre Dame Game

On Monday, Owls fans got the first glimpse of players who will suit up in the Cherry and White on Saturday when the team heads to South Bend to take on Notre Dame.

247sports.com

So maybe it was a talent gap that was responsible but I think that speaks to what I said that Collins doesn't seem to be able to account for a talent gap with scheme. And his proclivity for up tempo offenses exposes defensive breakdowns even more. Its far to easy to have a snowball effect happen when your offense is going 3 and out in 23 seconds and a tired defense is back on the field.

 

[Ibeeballin]

All this talk about Collins as DC at the factory schools but you still haven't explained how he is a good head coach.

That wasn’t the question.

 

[A Love Supreme]

So far nothing really leaps out, and after two years maybe he is just not a sideline coach. It apparently wasn't evident at Temple. That is not fatal if a coach has outstanding coordinators and a QB coach and gets out of the road. So far, however, that is not evident either. This was a very conservative hire to move away from the Johnson era. Maybe it will all work out.

Definitely a risky hire considering he is unproven as a head coach. It seems to me some people on this message board just like Collins because he's not Paul Johnson and doesn't run a "high school offense." It certainly can't be because of his actual record as a head coach.