Coronavirus Thread

[takethepoints]

I never said I doubted the US death and cases figure. In fact I said the opposite - I don't put as much credence in other countries' numbers.

Except that all counts at this point are almost certainly undercounts, I don't see the basis for your concern. Most of the European countries have had the virus among them longer then we have and certainly have little incentive to underreport. I might add that most of them have public health systems; if anything their stats are more likely to be representative since they are not reporting to 50 different health agencies that then have to aggregate at national levels. Admittedly, the Chinese may be underreporting, but, again, I don't see the incentive for them to do so at this juncture.

And on that score, see:

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058/coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-flatten-the-curve

This what we have to do now. And I mean tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Except that all counts at this point are almost certainly undercounts, I don't see the basis for your concern. Most of the European countries have had the virus among them longer then we have and certainly have little incentive to underreport. I might add that most of them have public health systems; if anything their stats are more likely to be representative since they are not reporting to 50 different health agencies that then have to aggregate at national levels. Admittedly, the Chinese may be underreporting, but, again, I don't see the incentive for them to do so at this juncture.

And on that score, see:

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058/coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-flatten-the-curve

This what we have to do now. And I mean tomorrow.

Well, I guess I'll just say it again. I don't like charts that compare number of positive cases from one country to the next. Test volumes are all over the place. Hospitalizations and deaths are still not apples to apples, but at least you've got a better fighting chance of actually comparing countries to each other. There is simply no way that 35% of all the COVID-19 cases on earth are in the US where we have 5% of the population.

 

[MWBATL]

Well, I guess I'll just say it again. I don't like charts that compare number of positive cases from one country to the next. Test volumes are all over the place. Hospitalizations and deaths are still not apples to apples, but at least you've got a better fighting chance of actually comparing countries to each other. There is simply no way that 35% of all the COVID-19 cases on earth are in the US where we have 5% of the population.

I have to agree. reliance on comparisons of international figures when in many cases we had have arguments about how *we* count things, is ...not something that inspires my confidence. Anyone who has tried to compare international figures on just about ANY topic (crime rates, economic data, etc) finds it is simply all over the map with definitional differences between countries and cultures.

 

[GoldZ]

Well, I guess I'll just say it again. I don't like charts that compare number of positive cases from one country to the next. Test volumes are all over the place. Hospitalizations and deaths are still not apples to apples, but at least you've got a better fighting chance of actually comparing countries to each other. There is simply no way that 35% of all the COVID-19 cases on earth are in the US where we have 5% of the population.

Yeah, the 5% vs 35% thingy doesn't make sense because it's not how this thing works. A very significant % of the World's population is likely to get infected before a vaccine is available on a large scale, if ever. How large a percentage is a function of: if, when, and effectiveness of said vaccine, but it's still gonna be a big arsed number.

 

[takethepoints]

Btw, curious about the CDC guidelines that were suppressed by the government? Sure you are. Here you go:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6883734/CDC-Business-Plans.pdf

As I said at the first presentation, these guidelines make sense, if you want to actually re-activate the economy. If all you want is talking points about re-opening, then go ahead. Don't expect a big surge in demand as a result, however.

 

[takethepoints]

Yeah, the 5% vs 35% thingy doesn't make sense because it's not how this thing works. A very significant % of the World's population is likely to get infected before a vaccine is available on a large scale, if ever. How large a percentage is a function of: if, when, and effectiveness of said vaccine, but it's still gonna be a big arsed number.

I think this is both true and false.

It is true that a much larger proportion of the world's population will be infected before we can ramp up the necessary countermeasures. But I don't doubt the current figures. We could easily have 35% of the world's confirmed cases, at this time. I doubt we will end up with so high a percentage, but there are large parts of the world - Africa, for instance - that haven't been hit hard yet. If we start measures to combat the virus instead of just trying to slow it down (see https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058/coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-flatten-the-curve) then the proportion could be driven down more quickly.

But there's little evidence that we are undertaking such precautions.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Btw, curious about the CDC guidelines that were suppressed by the government? Sure you are. Here you go:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6883734/CDC-Business-Plans.pdf

As I said at the first presentation, these guidelines make sense, if you want to actually re-activate the economy. If all you want is talking points about re-opening, then go ahead. Don't expect a big surge in demand as a result, however.

I just browsed our state health (SC DHEC) website, and its nearly a mirror image copy of this. Not sure why so many people are butt hurt about this. Its common sense and we don't need some pointy head person in a closet at the CDC to tell us this stuff. Our ability to re-open or not, safely or not, doesn't depend on them.

 

[GT_EE78]

>It's a great day in more ways than one - haircut freedom is returning
Supreme Court Of Texas Orders Release Of Jailed Texas Stylist
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/07...elease-of-jailed-texas-stylist-shelly-luther/

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I think this is both true and false.

It is true that a much larger proportion of the world's population will be infected before we can ramp up the necessary countermeasures. But I don't doubt the current figures. We could easily have 35% of the world's confirmed cases, at this time. I doubt we will end up with so high a percentage, but there are large parts of the world - Africa, for instance - that haven't been hit hard yet. If we start measures to combat the virus instead of just trying to slow it down (see https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058/coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-flatten-the-curve) then the proportion could be driven down more quickly.

But there's little evidence that we are undertaking such precautions.

Fun fact, more people in Kenya are dying from violent police attacks when they enforce Coronavirus curfews than from the virus itself. Their testing ability and data tracking abilities on that continent are just about nonexistent. You'll get a better death count by googling articles about mass graves.

 

[684Bee]

>It's a great day in more ways than one - haircut freedom is returning
Supreme Court Of Texas Orders Release Of Jailed Texas Stylist
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/07...elease-of-jailed-texas-stylist-shelly-luther/

It is absolutely insane that this happened in America, and in Texas no less. If you haven't watched the video, go and watch. The judge wanted the lady to apologize and admit she did wrong. The lady said she won't apologize for working to put food on her and her employees' tables. She was operating as safely as possible and no one was forced to come in for a haircut.

Criminals have been released from prison, due to fears of the coronavirus, but this lady got put into jail. Please square that one up for me.

 

[takethepoints]

I just browsed our state health (SC DHEC) website, and its nearly a mirror image copy of this. Not sure why so many people are butt hurt about this. Its common sense and we don't need some pointy head person in a closet at the CDC to tell us this stuff. Our ability to re-open or not, safely or not, doesn't depend on them.

Your post contradicts itself within two sentences. Unless of course, you think the public health officials in South Carolina just made up new guidelines sort of on their own. Did you check their sources?

Now you are right about one thing. Depending on such guidelines is not necessary if you don't care if businesses re-open "safely or not". But I'm guessing that the officials up there would prefer to do it safely. Or, more properly, I hope they do.

 

[takethepoints]

>It's a great day in more ways than one - haircut freedom is returning

At the foreseeable cost of more COVID-19 infections and deaths!

The lack of moral depth in her behavior is absolutely astounding. Oth, I can see why the Court ordered her released. You have to have valid order in place, even in Texas.

 

[684Bee]

At the foreseeable cost of more COVID-19 infections and deaths!

The lack of moral depth in her behavior is absolutely astounding. Oth, I can see why the Court ordered her released. You have to have valid order in place, even in Texas.

Risk of infecting who? The people that freely chose to come into her salon? It's not like she's just walking around in public coughing on people. She's in her salon operating safely and conducting business with people that choose to come in of their own free will.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Your post contradicts itself within two sentences. Unless of course, you think the public health officials in South Carolina just made up new guidelines sort of on their own. Did you check their sources?

Now you are right about one thing. Depending on such guidelines is not necessary if you don't care if businesses re-open "safely or not". But I'm guessing that the officials up there would prefer to do it safely. Or, more properly, I hope they do.

Those were all the points I was trying to make, all the way down to the contradiction.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

At the foreseeable cost of more COVID-19 infections and deaths!

The lack of moral depth in her behavior is absolutely astounding. Oth, I can see why the Court ordered her released. You have to have valid order in place, even in Texas.

 

[takethepoints]

Risk of infecting who? The people that freely chose to come into her salon? It's not like she's just walking around in public coughing on people. She's in her salon operating safely and conducting business with people that choose to come in of their own free will.

The missing element here is the VIRUS. It could care less about the free will of human beings; all it's looking for is hosts. And that is what this person is providing. Until we can get the VIRUS to decide the it won't infect people if they come in to get a haircut of their own free will - and I wouldn't hold my breath for that - the state has a clear right to shut the business down.

Though once Abbott rescinded his order, locking her up for contempt was a bit much.

 

[takethepoints]

Those were all the points I was trying to make, all the way down to the contradiction.

My bad then, but you have to admit that this is not clear in the post.

 

[takethepoints]

Deep, bro, real deep.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Deep, bro, real deep.

So explain why she deserved jail time, or even a fine, while they are releasing convicted felons in Dallas.

 

[GoldZ]

I think this is both true and false.

It is true that a much larger proportion of the world's population will be infected before we can ramp up the necessary countermeasures. But I don't doubt the current figures. We could easily have 35% of the world's confirmed cases, at this time. I doubt we will end up with so high a percentage, but there are large parts of the world - Africa, for instance - that haven't been hit hard yet. If we start measures to combat the virus instead of just trying to slow it down (see https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058/coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-flatten-the-curve) then the proportion could be driven down more quickly.

But there's little evidence that we are undertaking such precautions.

Key word points...."confirmed". No way we are 35% of the actual world's infections, because that's not how the virus functions.