Film Room Confuse the Offense

[tech_wreck47]

I saw it. And I don’t disagree with him. I still stand by my contention.

I agree people would be complaining lol. I was just making a point that it’s different than what we did under Roof (not saying you were unaware of that)

 

[iceeater1969]

The route tree for 4 receivers is very complicated.
Everybody go long.

 

[Longestday]

Only one DB seriously back pedals and is in good coverage on the go route. All the other DB allow closing distance. One is press and would have covered the short middle and was close enough to help stop the run in the middle.

I also like the way the outside rush defenders twisted back to close off escape routes for the QB.

 

[iceeater1969]

Imo the scheme confused the qb. - rb.
With soft coverage on all wr the read is quick throw to wide side inside wr for 5 yds or as mentioned the delayed flats pass to rb

6 men on line (i count the lb over the t e), sending all r long is not a good plan against soft coverage. Bad scheme. They take 2 seconds to get to coverage.


The pass in the flat.
Gt ND -we scored 14 at end of game with qb looking off (left) then throwing to Skow in wide side flat. All day they showed they had speed to run down running plays to wide side. Coach had us load up short side in heavy in power formation. Qb sold it, Skow was wide open , and lumbered for the corner! Scheme!

I hope we run some of this presnap move around for dl, lb , AND db.

Probably not that much advantage if we are playing a well prepared factory team w good qb. It could cause MISSED ASSIGNMENTS on lessor team.

Plus its another thing that requires unique preparation by opponent of gt.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

I believe you are underestimating the length of the throw and his confusion of the coverage. Unless you have an Aaron Rodgers or Matt Stafford arm. A 10-15yd is not an easy throw

it's easier than you are making it out to be. And it really involves good timing more than anything else.

The thing about this jumping around pre-snap is that it looks nice but a disciplined offense that quick-snaps it will torch that DLine every single time.

Hell, a well-timed B-back dive play when that DL is jumping around would go for 20+, as there's literally no DL to the right side of the OL at one point. Our OL would blast those guys backwards. It'd like like the ol' GB Packer Toss Sweep.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Quick snap while the frikking D is standing in a line. Even in H.S. we had a quick snap play set for occasions like that where the D was goofing around.

LOL - exactly what I said. This gimmicky D would get torched by CPJ.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Dude that throw is so long it’s not even funny, it’s not nearly as easy as you make it seem, and that far of a throw can be pretty dangerous. A DB can make up a ton of ground and break on a pass like that.

It's no more than 20 yds. These are P5 QBs with good arms. They aren't noodle-armed JV QBs. Plus, a well-timed fade throw here wouldn't be defendable.

Or just quick-snap B-back dive play when that DL is in a vertical line for an easy 20 yds.

 

[tech_wreck47]

LOL - exactly what I said. This gimmicky D would get torched by CPJ.

Lol gimmicky D that has held most of the power 5 offenses they play to below their season average. You act like them jumping around is something that happens every play. BTW have you never seen that even happen in the NFL?

 

[SidewalkJacket]

It's no more than 20 yds. These are P5 QBs with good arms. They aren't noodle-armed JV QBs. Plus, a well-timed fade throw here wouldn't be defendable.

Or just quick-snap B-back dive play when that DL is in a vertical line for an easy 20 yds.

Sometimes listen to the guys who have played P5 football when they post. They often know what they’re talking about.

 

[Techster]

One thing that stood out about this clip:

The ENTIRE defense was on the same page. Front seven played to their assignments and CBs understood the situation in terms of down and distance and what they could and couldn't give up. No LBs abandoning gaps, DL had lane discipline.

Watch how players from each level are communicating with each other. Not sure if it's CNW or an assistant, but he's front and center communicating in real time with his players, and his players immediately understood what's going on. From top to bottom, they were all on the same page.

 

[tech_wreck47]

It's no more than 20 yds. These are P5 QBs with good arms. They aren't noodle-armed JV QBs. Plus, a well-timed fade throw here wouldn't be defendable.

Or just quick-snap B-back dive play when that DL is in a vertical line for an easy 20 yds.

Wait 20 yards? Have you played QB at atleast the high school level? (Not trying to come across mean) that throw is more like a 30 yard throw because he’s not only 15 yards down field compared to the QB but the QB is also about 30 yards from the sideline. As a DB you would love a guy to throw that pass chance for a pick 6 most times unless the QB is Aaron Rodgers. Also when someone who has played for GT in @Ibeeballin you might want to take his word.

Also if you want to do a dive like you said it would probably work, but you would have to check down to that play and make sure everyone is on the same page. By that time the D could have gotten set.

 

[Longestday]

Some may not know this... Woody was Apps states defensive Coordinator and is now GT's DC. I am hoping for this kind of communication, knowing down and distance, and level of coordination with confusion to the offense.

 

[Techster]

Wait 20 yards? Have you played QB at atleast the high school level? (Not trying to come across mean) that throw is more like a 30 yard throw because he’s not only 15 yards down field compared to the QB but the QB is also about 30 yards from the sideline. As a DB you would love a guy to throw that pass chance for a pick 6 most times unless the QB is Aaron Rodgers. Also when someone who has played for GT in @Ibeeballin you might want to take his word.

I was thinking more like a 35 yard throw...but I can accept 30 yards.

The WR breaks at the 40 yard, and the QB completes his drop step at the 23 but steps up to the 22 yard line when the WR makes his break...the optimal time to deliver the ball. That's a 22 yard STRAIGHT LINE distance...except the QB is on the far hash so it's actually a diagonal throw across the field.

Using the pythagorean theorem, and solving for the hypotenuse (the diagonal throw), "A" being the 22 yards (or 66ft) between the QBs drop and 40 yard line straight distance where the WR breaks. Distance between college hashes is 40 ft. Distance between far hash and where the WR ended up (exactly on the number) is about 70 (40ft + 30 ft (far hash to sideline is 60ft, so half that)). Now we know "B" equals 70ft.

Solving for the hypotenuse which is the square root of A^2+B^2 = square root of (66^2)+(70*2) = 96.21. Divide that by 3 (converting to yards) gives us a little over 32 yards.

And thus concludes a GT nerd's post in a sports forum...

 

[tech_wreck47]

I was thinking more like a 35 yard throw...but I can accept 30 yards.

The WR breaks at the 40 yard, and the QB completes his drop step at the 23 but steps up to the 22 yard line when the WR makes his break...the optimal time to deliver the ball. That's a 22 yard STRAIGHT LINE distance...except the QB is on the far hash so it's actually a diagonal throw across the field.

Using the pythagorean theorem, and solving for the hypotenuse (the diagonal throw), "A" being the 22 yards (or 66ft) between the QBs drop and 40 yard line straight distance where the WR breaks. Distance between college hashes is 40 ft. Distance between far hash and where the WR ended up (exactly on the number) is about 70 (40ft + 30 ft (far hash to sideline is 60ft, so half that)). Now we know "B" equals 70ft.

Solving for the hypotenuse which is the square root of A^2+B^2 = square root of (66^2)+(70*2) = 96.21. Divide that by 3 (converting to yards) gives us a little over 32 yards.

And thus concludes a GT nerd's post in a sports forum...

Yep, only on a GT board lol.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Lol gimmicky D that has held most of the power 5 offenses they play to below their season average. You act like them jumping around is something that happens every play. BTW have you never seen that even happen in the NFL?

have you ever seen a QB torch it in the NFL with a quick-snap, quick throw?

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Sometimes listen to the guys who have played P5 football when they post. They often know what they’re talking about.

lol a jumping-around DL would get torched if it did this against a QB who knew to quick-snap it. You don't have to have played P5 football to know that lol

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Wait 20 yards? Have you played QB at atleast the high school level? (Not trying to come across mean) that throw is more like a 30 yard throw because he’s not only 15 yards down field compared to the QB but the QB is also about 30 yards from the sideline. As a DB you would love a guy to throw that pass chance for a pick 6 most times unless the QB is Aaron Rodgers. Also when someone who has played for GT in @Ibeeballin you might want to take his word.

Also if you want to do a dive like you said it would probably work, but you would have to check down to that play and make sure everyone is on the same page. By that time the D could have gotten set.

If a QB-WR are on the same page, they'd make that soft cushion coverage pay dearly.

Having played 3 yrs as a WR, I'm quite familiar with routes like this. You do know that QBs are supposed to throw the ball before a WR finishes his route, right? That back-pedalling DB at the top isn't watching the QB - he's watching the hips of the WR (if he's a good DB). A well-timed throw would never be picked there.

You don't need a rocket arm to complete passes. Ask Peyton Manning or Matt Ryan.

of course, we'd never throw it there. B-back dive or QB keeper.

 

[tech_wreck47]

have you ever seen a QB torch it in the NFL with a quick-snap, quick throw?

A quick snap and throw would not have worked as well because it was the DL that was not set, the DB’s were ready. Not saying it can’t happen I’m just saying at the college level these guys don’t communicate as well like at the NFL. It’s hard to compare the NFL doing something right and asking those at the college level to be as good at it.

 

[Lavoisier]

They were able to collapse the pocket with 5 vs. 6. If you can do that then the window dressing does not matter too much. RB should have cleared for the dumpoff, he wasn't doing any good trying to pass protect.

 

[UgaBlows]

Quick snap while the frikking D is standing in a line. Even in H.S. we had a quick snap play set for occasions like that where the D was goofing around.

But the QB was looking at the sideline for the play the whole time.... an adjustment to what your talking about Could work, but i would quick snap to the QB and have him run it