Conference Realignment

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iceeater1969 said:
Like the thinking ee .
Won't the SEC react if bg1 gets bigger. Any ideas?
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Depends upon who they would bring in.

There were comments a few weeks back from some sources within the SEC that if B10 added ND that SEC was still inclined to stay at 16.

Everybody knows at this point that basically B10 wants ND and really isn't all that interested in anybody else right now.

Actually, the biggest item i'm interested to see is when the new B10 contracts expire, that will be telling as that is the next most likely time to see conference raiding.
 

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RamblinRed said:
Depends upon who they would bring in.

There were comments a few weeks back from some sources within the SEC that if B10 added ND that SEC was still inclined to stay at 16.

Everybody knows at this point that basically B10 wants ND and really isn't all that interested in anybody else right now.

Actually, the biggest item i'm interested to see is when the new B10 contracts expire, that will be telling as that is the next most likely time to see conference raiding.
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Hard to imagine it will be anything other than ‘35/‘36 with both ACC and SEC on the open market.
What will be really interesting is the term of PAC and B12 contracts. Has anyone heard anything there? Are the remaining schools in those conferences going to batten down the hatches to try to weather the storm of ‘35-‘36 or are they going full on into the fray?
 

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Google “sports viewership declining”. Lots of articles about the younger generation not watching sports or declining viewership. If networks tank, what happens to these exorbitant contracts?
 

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Augusta_Jacket said:
Looks like the endgame has started...

CFP looks at removing football from NCAA
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Saw this... weird article in my opinion.
The NCAA really hasn’t had anything to do with bowl series college football outside of impermissible benefits and that was really just a nod by college football. NIL did away with that, so NCAA really has nothing left anyway. Isn’t this just a formal announcement that the new boss is the same as the old boss? Does this really mean anything?
 
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CEB said:
Saw this... weird article in my opinion.
The NCAA really hasn’t had anything to do with bowl series college football outside of impermissible benefits and that was really just a nod by college football. NIL did away with that, so NCAA really has nothing left anyway. Isn’t this just a formal announcement that the new boss is the same as the old boss? Does this really mean anything?
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NCAA still has (ostensibly) governance of football programs. The NCAA can currently enforce bowl bans, scholarship reductions, and other penalties to programs that violate NCAA rules. Under the new model, the CFP would take over governance and remove the NCAA from the picture entirely.
 

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Augusta_Jacket said:
NCAA still has (ostensibly) governance of football programs. The NCAA can currently enforce bowl bans, scholarship reductions, and other penalties to programs that violate NCAA rules. Under the new model, the CFP would take over governance and remove the NCAA from the picture entirely.
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But we all know how that has worked out. The teams pushing for removal of the NCAA have almost never been burdened by the NCAA in any way.
 
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CEB said:
But we all know how that has worked out. The teams pushing for removal of the NCAA have almost never been burdened by the NCAA in any way.
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That's not entirely true. USC was and will be again a major player in CFB. So much so that even with their currently damaged brand the B1G snapped them up. What damaged that brand? NCAA penalties for the Reggie Bush saga. Some of the major powers have managed to skirt major penalties, but they all know that eventually they could wind up in the same desert USC found themselves in. Removing the NCAA from the picture allows the major schools to set policy without regards to what the needs of FCS and Division II would like or needs.
 
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And for those who like reading the smoke leaves, or the tea signals, or looking for messages in the frosted condensation of a mayfield's icecream pint's lid (which feels oddly specific unless you know what's what) Atlanta hosts the CFP in 2025 with Miami up next in 2026.. So.. Maybe the CFP might be interested in trying to bring in a few more schools sooner than later?

Burnie Burns Conspiracy GIF by Rooster Teeth
 
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CEB said:
So what are the tea leaves saying about a 7 year deal? That doesn’t seem to correspond to any known timeline, does it?
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Brilliant planning by the B1G. SEC deal runs through 2033/34. B1G runs through 2030. Get ahead of the SEC financially now and renegotiate another 7 year deal for 2031-2038 to stay ahead. They might fall behind again on a per year basis from 2034/35-2036/37 but they will simply renegotiate again. Meanwhile, they have a decade to outspend the SEC.

This is not inclusive of NIL money of course, where the SEC has an advantage, but giving the schools any financial edge they can get is the job of the conference, and the B1G nailed it.
 

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Augusta_Jacket said:
That's not entirely true. USC was and will be again a major player in CFB. So much so that even with their currently damaged brand the B1G snapped them up. What damaged that brand? NCAA penalties for the Reggie Bush saga. Some of the major powers have managed to skirt major penalties, but they all know that eventually they could wind up in the same desert USC found themselves in. Removing the NCAA from the picture allows the major schools to set policy without regards to what the needs of FCS and Division II would like or needs.
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Right, but impermissible benefits again. NIL took that off the table. I’m just saying at this point in time, with pay for play “legalized” (errr more accurately the NCAA’s influence in that area undermined) the NCAA has very little influence... and only so much as the major programs allow them to have. I find it interesting that it’s being written about as a major development... it’s really not
 

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Augusta_Jacket said:
Brilliant planning by the B1G. SEC deal runs through 2033/34. B1G runs through 2030. Get ahead of the SEC financially now and renegotiate another 7 year deal for 2031-2038 to stay ahead. They might fall behind again on a per year basis from 2034/35-2036/37 but they will simply renegotiate again. Meanwhile, they have a decade to outspend the SEC.

This is not inclusive of NIL money of course, where the SEC has an advantage, but giving the schools any financial edge they can get is the job of the conference, and the B1G nailed it.
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So the play is simply to have more renegotiation opportunities? Maybe... unless the ND deal lands at 7 years too, there’s no membership change available at that time.
Or is there....?
 

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CEB said:
So the play is simply to have more renegotiation opportunities? Maybe... unless the ND deal lands at 7 years too, there’s no membership change available at that time.
Or is there....?
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Neither ND nor the B1G need ND to be part of the B1G.

A similar arrangement like ND has with the ACC will work just fine for both parties.

It gets the B1G and its TV sponsors another marquee non conference game without having to contribute a single penny. And it allows ND to remain independent which is important to them to the tune of several tens of millions of dollars.
 
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BilldGopher said:
Here we go...

www.cbssports.com

Big Ten reaches seven-year media rights deal with CBS, Fox and NBC for football, basketball through 2029-30

Marquee Big Ten football games will be showcased across three broadcast windows on Saturdays
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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When USC and UCLA join the Big Ten in 2024, each of the 16 Big Ten schools will receive an average of $75 million annually from media rights. That does not include revenue from the College Football Playoff, bowl games or the NCAA Tournament, which can vary from school-to-school. All media rights deals are typically backloaded, peaking in the final years of the agreements.

Good grief...to think we had the chance to get that kind of payday, but apparently "history" and "regional rivals" wasn't worth the increased revenue for us. You can lead a horse to water, but...
 
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When USC and UCLA join the Big Ten in 2024, each of the 16 Big Ten schools will receive an average of $75 million annually from media rights. That does not include revenue from the College Football Playoff, bowl games or the NCAA Tournament, which can vary from school-to-school. All media rights deals are typically backloaded, peaking in the final years of the agreements.

Good grief...to think we had the chance to get that kind of payday, but apparently "history" and "regional rivals" wasn't worth the increased revenue for us. You can lead a horse to water, but...
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I keep seeing this, but I don't understand how it is that the ACC could have made such a deal.
How could the ACC get a deal like that when fan interest and viewership lag behind the B1G?
 
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bobongo said:
I keep seeing this, but I don't understand how it is that the ACC could have made such a deal.
How could the ACC get a deal like that when fan interest and viewership lag behind the B1G?
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ACC isn't getting that payday...we're locked in until 2036 I believe. GT could have gotten that kind of payday if we accepted the B1G's offer 11 years ago. We decided to turn it down. So here we are...
 
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