College Basketball NIL Discussion

[lv20gt]

I mean the current situatuon is literally not what most coaches signed up for. Also saying just shut up and adjust is a really bad reaction to an obviously bad situation. This isn't complaining about the adoption of a shot clock. There is a very real threat that coaches who develop players will have them poached by teams they will have to play because some booster dropped bags. And coa he's can't adjust for that. They aren't allowed.

 

[MtnWasp]

If you can't complain about the ground you stand on literally quaking in instability then I am not sure what one can complain about. A coach's success and failure, literally the players that he has to coach and compete with will be determined by capital collective agencies. The coach's are literally being removed from the means of their own success. How long before these NIL agencies wil be in negotiation with the coaches themselves? Why couldn't an NIL collective poach a coach for a school?

At the core of the worry is how competitive integrity will be maintained? Or, is it more expedient to dismiss trying to maintain legitimate competition and just script the contests for the sheer consumer appeal of spectacle. Maybe focus groups will determine how a season will play out, or make it more like a virtual reality game.

Wherever it's headed, the changes are coming fast a furious (and in the world in general). Anybody out there that is enthralled and excited by this?

 

[Jack]

The US has never had and hopefully never will have an unfettered non-regulatory Capitalism. That is a recipe for disaster, just like unfettered Socialism or Communism would be.
There have always been regulations and laws that serve as guardrails. At some times there are more guardrails and sometimes there are less - but there are always some.

What is happening now in college athletics is really the complete absence of any guardrails. Until some guardrails are put in place it is going to be a very chaotic place with alot more losers than winners.
Realistically the long term is likely to look like most professional sports leagues with collective bargaining through representation and salary caps.

Well said

 

[kg01]

"Keep my coach's name ..... outcho fkng .... mouth!"

This from a program with one of the broadest fan bases and tons of money.

Tell this fool to worry 'bout his middlin a** program. If Pastners here for fifty-leven years, like Bray's (see what I did there?) been there, let's hope he's doing more than wrasslin with mediocrity every year.

Generally though, he ain't wrong. Eta:Actually ... he kinda is. Being very dismissive.

 

[dtm1997]

I mean the current situatuon is literally not what most coaches signed up for. Also saying just shut up and adjust is a really bad reaction to an obviously bad situation. This isn't complaining about the adoption of a shot clock. There is a very real threat that coaches who develop players will have them poached by teams they will have to play because some booster dropped bags. And coa he's can't adjust for that. They aren't allowed.

Generally speaking, Power 5 coaches make well upwards of $1MM/year to run a program. They should adjust or be prepared to be removed from their high paying job.

Some Low Major coaches are recruiting players on the basis of developing them for 1-2 years so they can be positioned to transfer up at that point. That's their pitch and it may be a pretty wise adjustment. There have been many upward transfers this cycle.

 

[MidtownJacket]

The US has never had and hopefully never will have an unfettered non-regulatory Capitalism. That is a recipe for disaster, just like unfettered Socialism or Communism would be.
There have always been regulations and laws that serve as guardrails. At some times there are more guardrails and sometimes there are less - but there are always some.

What is happening now in college athletics is really the complete absence of any guardrails. Until some guardrails are put in place it is going to be a very chaotic place with alot more losers than winners.
Realistically the long term is likely to look like most professional sports leagues with collective bargaining through representation and salary caps.

This is the core issue to me. Systems optimize to their governing characteristics. The uncontrolled flow of $$ based on boosters is going to significantly hamper competition. IIWII and we now get to decide if we're going to mobilize our dollars to win or not. It is that simple. The approach has devolved into an unfettered arms race of funding and buying the wins.

 

[Jack]

This is the core issue to me. Systems optimize to their governing characteristics. The uncontrolled flow of $$ based on boosters is going to significantly hamper competition. IIWII and we now get to decide if we're going to mobilize our dollars to win or not. It is that simple. The approach has devolved into an unfettered arms race of funding and buying the wins.

Yep

 

[CuseJacket]

Armando Bacot Says He Was Offered Six-Figures From Schools As a Recruit - Sports Illustrated

Since appearing in the national title game, he has cashed in on NIL deals.

www.si.com

“You get these huge offers,” Bacot said about the recruiting processes. “For me, it was more about fit and going to a good school, because I know eventually the money will come. But, yeah, that was a thing. You know, it’s everywhere. You would hear huge numbers, like six-figure numbers from schools.”

Armando Bacot easily could have entered the NBA Draft. Then NIL changed the math. - Sports Illustrated

His draft stock spiked after a dominant NCAA tournament, but for this business major, riding the NIL bubble and sticking around Chapel Hill is a “no-brainer.”

www.si.com

Well, it’s been a busy year. The 6' 10" forward-center, who turned 22 right around the time he finished his junior season, says that between North Carolina’s run to the title game in March and sitting down with SI in early June, he was offered a mixture of deals “pushing the six-figure mark.” His mom, Christie Lomax, estimates that his NIL income this year will be “definitely past half a million.”

Without NIL, his mom, a real estate broker, would have encouraged him to turn pro. “He was ready physically and mentally,” she says—and he still would have found time to finish his degree from UNC’s prestigious Kenan-Flagler Business School.

But with NIL? Armando says that staying in school was “a no-brainer. I get a chance to get better, get my degree, be around all my friends and then also make a lot of money.”

 

[CuseJacket]

 

[CuseJacket]

Adam Weitsman, SU’s biggest athletic booster, wants to draw 5-star players with eye-popping NIL offer

Weitsman said he decided to explore the NIL space after consulting with several people about what is permissible.

www.syracuse.com

Syracuse University’s most famous sports booster has decided to get involved in the name, image and likeness (NIL) space and will offer $1 million per year to one five-star football player and one five-star basketball player to represent his companies.

 

[Connell62]

Interesting...I can't wait to see what this is all about. Show me an NIL collective specific to basketball and I am in.

The currently active NIL collectives all seem to be dedicated to football with hoops getting crumbs on occassion.

 

[Connell62]

Adam Weitsman, SU’s biggest athletic booster, wants to draw 5-star players with eye-popping NIL offer

Weitsman said he decided to explore the NIL space after consulting with several people about what is permissible.

www.syracuse.com

I didn't read past the first paragraph since it was behind a paywall, but that statement alone seems like an inducement.

Am I wrong? Last I checked, there's no star rating system for active NCAA athletes. 5 star's consist of high-school kids only.

 

[CuseJacket]

I didn't read past the first paragraph since it was behind a paywall, but that statement alone seems like an inducement.

Am I wrong? Last I checked, there's no star rating system for active NCAA athletes. 5 star's consist of high-school kids only.

Yea, the CYA comes later.

Those athletes will get the $1 million, he said, regardless of whether they choose to play sports at SU.

“I can’t have that discussion with players to come to Syracuse,” Weitsman said. “I mean, they know I’m a Syracuse fan, that Syracuse has a lot to offer. They’ll be working here for my company. They’ll be spokespeople, so that’s going to be part of it. They’ll have to come up here. What they do from there is going to be their choice.”

Weitsman said he is, instead, paying an athlete to represent one of his companies and hoping that athlete will find Syracuse to be a desirous destination.

“If anyone decides because they’re working for my company, they represent my brand, to come to Syracuse, that’s great,” Weitsman said. “I think some of these kids, once they see the beauty of Upstate New York, they might put Syracuse on their radar.”

We all know what it means though.

 

[RamblinRed]

One and done era in college basketball may be about to come to an end.

Reports are NBA and NBPA are close to an agreement that will lower eligibility for NBA Draft to 18 by 2024. This likely means fewer 5* kids going to college. Also means avg age of teams is likely to increase.

Five takeaways from the proposed lowering of the NBA Draft age and how it could impact college basketball

There will be big implications as the NBA eventually moves to change the age of draft eligibility

www.cbssports.com

 

[Connell62]

Yea, the CYA comes later.



We all know what it means though.

Plausible Deniability?