College Basketball NIL Discussion

lv20gt

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I mean the current situatuon is literally not what most coaches signed up for. Also saying just shut up and adjust is a really bad reaction to an obviously bad situation. This isn't complaining about the adoption of a shot clock. There is a very real threat that coaches who develop players will have them poached by teams they will have to play because some booster dropped bags. And coa he's can't adjust for that. They aren't allowed.
 

MtnWasp

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If you can't complain about the ground you stand on literally quaking in instability then I am not sure what one can complain about. A coach's success and failure, literally the players that he has to coach and compete with will be determined by capital collective agencies. The coach's are literally being removed from the means of their own success. How long before these NIL agencies wil be in negotiation with the coaches themselves? Why couldn't an NIL collective poach a coach for a school?

At the core of the worry is how competitive integrity will be maintained? Or, is it more expedient to dismiss trying to maintain legitimate competition and just script the contests for the sheer consumer appeal of spectacle. Maybe focus groups will determine how a season will play out, or make it more like a virtual reality game.

Wherever it's headed, the changes are coming fast a furious (and in the world in general). Anybody out there that is enthralled and excited by this?
 

Jack

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The US has never had and hopefully never will have an unfettered non-regulatory Capitalism. That is a recipe for disaster, just like unfettered Socialism or Communism would be.
There have always been regulations and laws that serve as guardrails. At some times there are more guardrails and sometimes there are less - but there are always some.

What is happening now in college athletics is really the complete absence of any guardrails. Until some guardrails are put in place it is going to be a very chaotic place with alot more losers than winners.
Realistically the long term is likely to look like most professional sports leagues with collective bargaining through representation and salary caps.
Well said
 

kg01

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"Keep my coach's name ..... outcho fkng .... mouth!"
This from a program with one of the broadest fan bases and tons of money.

Tell this fool to worry 'bout his middlin a** program. If Pastners here for fifty-leven years, like Bray's (see what I did there?) been there, let's hope he's doing more than wrasslin with mediocrity every year.

Generally though, he ain't wrong. Eta:Actually ... he kinda is. Being very dismissive.
 

dtm1997

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I mean the current situatuon is literally not what most coaches signed up for. Also saying just shut up and adjust is a really bad reaction to an obviously bad situation. This isn't complaining about the adoption of a shot clock. There is a very real threat that coaches who develop players will have them poached by teams they will have to play because some booster dropped bags. And coa he's can't adjust for that. They aren't allowed.
Generally speaking, Power 5 coaches make well upwards of $1MM/year to run a program. They should adjust or be prepared to be removed from their high paying job.

Some Low Major coaches are recruiting players on the basis of developing them for 1-2 years so they can be positioned to transfer up at that point. That's their pitch and it may be a pretty wise adjustment. There have been many upward transfers this cycle.
 

MidtownJacket

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The US has never had and hopefully never will have an unfettered non-regulatory Capitalism. That is a recipe for disaster, just like unfettered Socialism or Communism would be.
There have always been regulations and laws that serve as guardrails. At some times there are more guardrails and sometimes there are less - but there are always some.

What is happening now in college athletics is really the complete absence of any guardrails. Until some guardrails are put in place it is going to be a very chaotic place with alot more losers than winners.
Realistically the long term is likely to look like most professional sports leagues with collective bargaining through representation and salary caps.

This is the core issue to me. Systems optimize to their governing characteristics. The uncontrolled flow of $$ based on boosters is going to significantly hamper competition. IIWII and we now get to decide if we're going to mobilize our dollars to win or not. It is that simple. The approach has devolved into an unfettered arms race of funding and buying the wins.
 

Jack

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This is the core issue to me. Systems optimize to their governing characteristics. The uncontrolled flow of $$ based on boosters is going to significantly hamper competition. IIWII and we now get to decide if we're going to mobilize our dollars to win or not. It is that simple. The approach has devolved into an unfettered arms race of funding and buying the wins.
Yep
 

CuseJacket

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“You get these huge offers,” Bacot said about the recruiting processes. “For me, it was more about fit and going to a good school, because I know eventually the money will come. But, yeah, that was a thing. You know, it’s everywhere. You would hear huge numbers, like six-figure numbers from schools.”

Well, it’s been a busy year. The 6' 10" forward-center, who turned 22 right around the time he finished his junior season, says that between North Carolina’s run to the title game in March and sitting down with SI in early June, he was offered a mixture of deals “pushing the six-figure mark.” His mom, Christie Lomax, estimates that his NIL income this year will be “definitely past half a million.”
Without NIL, his mom, a real estate broker, would have encouraged him to turn pro. “He was ready physically and mentally,” she says—and he still would have found time to finish his degree from UNC’s prestigious Kenan-Flagler Business School.

But with NIL? Armando says that staying in school was “a no-brainer. I get a chance to get better, get my degree, be around all my friends and then also make a lot of money.”
 
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