Coaching changes?

Northeast Stinger

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Watch a GT game and see how he interacts with the players. Watch a Clemson game and watch how Dabo interacts with his players. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Dabo?

Notice how Nick Saban smiles and hams it up anytime he is in the spotlight. Watch how cranky Johnson is many times when he is in the spotlight. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Saban? Saban is full of crap, but that's what selling is all about.

Are you suggesting Johnson is a completely different personality with recruits than he is during games, or when he is being interviewed? You suggest that he is--show me some facts, or even an indication that he has a different personality that appeals to kids that are Power 5 level talents. His personality probably worked for kids interested in Navy--but this ain't Navy.

Are you suggesting he has done a great, or even good, job of recruiting? If you are, then why does he have the worst FBS win percentage at GT since Lewis, which would be much worse if not for the talent Gailey left behind that gave him a 17-7 record his first two years. Explain the poor performance if you believe it is something other than his (many) recruiting failures.

We have 12 commits this year. According to one site, Roof is responsible for 5 of them. The 9 other coaches have 7 commits among them. At some schools, coordinators do minimal recruiting. At GT, our 1 coordinator seems to be the only real recruiter. And people on this board want to get rid of Roof! Unbelievable.

Johnson's buddies who came from Navy don't recruit, but they don't have to. Their jobs are secure as long as Johnson is the HC. The absence of staff turnover among those people proves that.

Whether or not Johnson resonates with 18 year olds or not (which was only one comment among many in that post, and which you took out of context of the entire post), he does not put the effort into recruiting that is required for a Power 5 school that wants to be competitive year in-year out.

The number of people on this board who love this coach, who has produced poor results, is shocking. We have become Wake Forest.
I do not even know where to start with all of this. Frankly, several of your comments come across as non-sequiturs. But when I reflect on your overall drift it becomes clear. You do not like CPJ. You have concluded he is the problem. Since you start with your conclusion I suppose it does not matter what random anecdotes you grab to make your case.

But you still did not answer my question. What is your proof that kids do not like his personality? If you keep up with Tech at all then you have read plenty of comments by kids to the contrary. Guys on official visits pretty routinely talk about how much they like him. I just want to hear one comment that proves your case.
 

Em_Jae20

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We have 12 commits this year. According to one site, Roof is responsible for 5 of them. The 9 other coaches have 7 commits among them. At some schools, coordinators do minimal recruiting. At GT, our 1 coordinator seems to be the only real recruiter. And people on this board want to get rid of Roof! Unbelievable.

Johnson's buddies who came from Navy don't recruit, but they don't have to. Their jobs are secure as long as Johnson is the HC. The absence of staff turnover among those people proves that.

You do realize that if you look at those sites, and I'm sure one of them you are referring to is rivals, that rarely is any head coach the lead recruiter on any recruit for any team. Be it a P5 school or FCS school. And the guys that he brought with him from Navy have done pretty well. Lamar Owens, Mike Sewak, and Joe Speed have all done well recruiting. Each person on the coaching staff if assigned a specific area to recruit and as expected the head coach has final say so. So Paul Johnson has recruited every single one of these young men
 

JorgeJonas

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Watch a GT game and see how he interacts with the players. Watch a Clemson game and watch how Dabo interacts with his players. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Dabo?

Notice how Nick Saban smiles and hams it up anytime he is in the spotlight. Watch how cranky Johnson is many times when he is in the spotlight. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Saban? Saban is full of crap, but that's what selling is all about.

Are you suggesting Johnson is a completely different personality with recruits than he is during games, or when he is being interviewed? You suggest that he is--show me some facts, or even an indication that he has a different personality that appeals to kids that are Power 5 level talents. His personality probably worked for kids interested in Navy--but this ain't Navy.

Are you suggesting he has done a great, or even good, job of recruiting? If you are, then why does he have the worst FBS win percentage at GT since Lewis, which would be much worse if not for the talent Gailey left behind that gave him a 17-7 record his first two years. Explain the poor performance if you believe it is something other than his (many) recruiting failures.

We have 12 commits this year. According to one site, Roof is responsible for 5 of them. The 9 other coaches have 7 commits among them. At some schools, coordinators do minimal recruiting. At GT, our 1 coordinator seems to be the only real recruiter. And people on this board want to get rid of Roof! Unbelievable.

Johnson's buddies who came from Navy don't recruit, but they don't have to. Their jobs are secure as long as Johnson is the HC. The absence of staff turnover among those people proves that.

Whether or not Johnson resonates with 18 year olds or not (which was only one comment among many in that post, and which you took out of context of the entire post), he does not put the effort into recruiting that is required for a Power 5 school that wants to be competitive year in-year out.

The number of people on this board who love this coach, who has produced poor results, is shocking. We have become Wake Forest.
Lolololol
 

Buzz776g

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I know, right?
I can still remember (very dimly ;) ) how I felt at 18.

Would I have liked to hang out with Dabo? Hell yeah. Would I have liked to play for him? Probably. Would I have liked to play for CPJ? Beyond a shadow of a doubt, and through a brick wall.

Kids can sniff out bull****. They'll enjoy a good time hanging with their friends. But they'll respect a demanding, no b.s. coach that respects them and that coach will get their best. Most kids WANT to give their best, and be taken seriously.

This is of course all other things being equal -- academic record, etc.
 

Skeptic

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Watch a GT game and see how he interacts with the players. Watch a Clemson game and watch how Dabo interacts with his players. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Dabo?

Notice how Nick Saban smiles and hams it up anytime he is in the spotlight. Watch how cranky Johnson is many times when he is in the spotlight. Are you suggesting Johnson recruits as well as Saban? Saban is full of crap, but that's what selling is all about.

Are you suggesting Johnson is a completely different personality with recruits than he is during games, or when he is being interviewed? You suggest that he is--show me some facts, or even an indication that he has a different personality that appeals to kids that are Power 5 level talents. His personality probably worked for kids interested in Navy--but this ain't Navy.

Are you suggesting he has done a great, or even good, job of recruiting? If you are, then why does he have the worst FBS win percentage at GT since Lewis, which would be much worse if not for the talent Gailey left behind that gave him a 17-7 record his first two years. Explain the poor performance if you believe it is something other than his (many) recruiting failures.

We have 12 commits this year. According to one site, Roof is responsible for 5 of them. The 9 other coaches have 7 commits among them. At some schools, coordinators do minimal recruiting. At GT, our 1 coordinator seems to be the only real recruiter. And people on this board want to get rid of Roof! Unbelievable.

Johnson's buddies who came from Navy don't recruit, but they don't have to. Their jobs are secure as long as Johnson is the HC. The absence of staff turnover among those people proves that.

Whether or not Johnson resonates with 18 year olds or not (which was only one comment among many in that post, and which you took out of context of the entire post), he does not put the effort into recruiting that is required for a Power 5 school that wants to be competitive year in-year out.

The number of people on this board who love this coach, who has produced poor results, is shocking. We have become Wake Forest.
I have watched Clemson games. I like Dabo. I respect Dabo. Even after he publicly blistered the helmet paint off his punter in the ACC championship game, and even after he remonstrates on the sideline when one of his guys does something truly terrible. You know, a gimme putt. (I am told by one who is close to him, by the way, that Dabo is particularly proud that he routinely busted out the mouth of the south, Steve Spurrier, on various golf outings.)

(Frankly, Scarlett, I doubt Johnson has a clue as to whether he is in the spotlight, or any coach for that matter. For the most part it ain't like that unrelenting red camera light is up in their face.) I have seen Saban but frankly just don't follow football that closely outside of GT and some of Clemson. The man's sideline persona when I have seen him would curdle fresh milk. Ever seen him dismantle Kiffin? Well, not fair because Kiffin deserves it just because.

Does Swinney recruit better? Swinney, backed up by a recruit-friendly curriculum, recruits better than all but a small, dainty handful of top coaches. Ditto Saban. If that is your baseline it is powerful company indeed. Where in the world you got the idea that Navy -- or any service academy -- doesn't have to recruit baffles me. If anything, they have to be better. ("Yeah, kid. come to Navy. Get a great education, play some ball, and spend the next five years of your life on a destroyer bobbing about in the Yellow Sea. Get seasick do you? Not to worry. It's only five years. John Gotti could do five years standing on one hand.")

I don't mean to dismiss all the recruiting concerns, except for one more: in what universe do you think GT -- the T for technical, the technical meaning math and physics and geometry and calculus and maybe a career doing stuff you have no interest in and find boring -- is actually going to open its doors and beat off 4-and 5-stars? Since when did that happen? And it won't. Get over it.

As with others just point us to the one recruit who leaped back in daddy's car or on the plane, screaming after meeting Johnson that, "The man is an ogre. He keeps body parts in his garage. I think they are 5-stars who said no."

And having said all that I am just as equally convinced that Johnson has to produce. As do they all. It is a brutal and often nomadic existence, this business of being a football coach and having to win only one game a week.
 
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flea77

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I do not even know where to start with all of this. Frankly, several of your comments come across as non-sequiturs. But when I reflect on your overall drift it becomes clear. You do not like CPJ. You have concluded he is the problem. Since you start with your conclusion I suppose it does not matter what random anecdotes you grab to make your case.

But you still did not answer my question. What is your proof that kids do not like his personality? If you keep up with Tech at all then you have read plenty of comments by kids to the contrary. Guys on official visits pretty routinely talk about how much they like him. I just want to hear one comment that proves your case.
Will likes him .
 

65Jacket

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I have never heard of any players that don't like him. Go on a road trip and stay where the team stays, you will see. We go on almost all of the trips and usually stay with the team. I get the impression they are all very happy with the coaches. Johnson is not an ogro, he is just competitive on game days. Heck, you should be around me after a loss. I am usually totally depressed after a loss, always have been. It is being competitive.
 

Skeptic

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Will likes him .
Just goes to show you how unaware your boy is.
I have never heard of any players that don't like him. Go on a road trip and stay where the team stays, you will see. We go on almost all of the trips and usually stay with the team. I get the impression they are all very happy with the coaches. Johnson is not an ogro, he is just competitive on game days. Heck, you should be around me after a loss. I am usually totally depressed after a loss, always have been. It is being competitive.
Ah, game day. When various boosters, administration or friends of Dabo travel with the team, stay at the same hotel, or have game pre-meals with coaches, their "minder" -- usually a graduate assistant is tasked with it -- gives them all the same spiel every time before boarding a bus or plane or whatever, no matter how many times they have done it. It is that they should not consider Swinney as being impolite or unapproachable on the trip. He is just not talking because all he is thinking about is the game and nothing gets in the way of that. Seems about right. (One thing that both cracks up and angers Clemson coaches, by the bye, is football message boards. When guys who would not know a prospect from a batboy chime in to offer their analysis and recommendations against professional coaches who do that for a living. Never happens here, though. Now, I know this guy ...)
 
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