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Nick Saban at Michigan State vs. Nick Saban at Alabama. What’s the difference?
Players make coaches not the other way around.
Players make coaches not the other way around.
recruiting is important but if you can't develop them and coach them up it's not going to help much. Lots of younger players played this tear so we will know next year if they have improved and been coached . hope we see they have been.Does getting a prestigious degree help anybody block or tackle? Does living in the city of Atlanta help anybody block or tackle? Does having a new locker room help anybody block or tackle? Does playing for an SEC school help anybody block or tackle? Does having on-campus bars help anybody block or tackle? The answer to all of those is a resounding NO.
So what’s the point of selling any of it? So you can attract new players that can block and tackle better. Everything that goes on within a football program doesn’t have to be about developing players. Recruiting is just as important as development. Being innovative gives Tech a selling point to those players who do block and tackle better.
Development is important but if everyone else has better players it’s not going to help much. Recruiting and development go hand in hand. You can be decent with one and not the other, but you’ll never be better than decent without both.recruiting is important but if you can't develop them and coach them up it's not going to help much. Lots of younger players played this tear so we will know next year if they have improved and been coached . hope we see they have been.
Not the first time he caught lightning in a bottle and it turned out to be lightning bugs.Thanks. From what I see on ESPN's website LSU's and Orgeron's problems go way beyond decommits and transfers. Apparently the guy caught lightning once and now is spiraling out of control.
We are saying the same thing but in a different orderDevelopment is important but if everyone else has better players it’s not going to help much. Recruiting and development go hand in hand. You can be decent with one and not the other, but you’ll never be better than decent without both.
I am not impressed with great running backs or receivers, we can get those...show me linemen. With apologies to Shakespeare: "A war daddy a war daddy, my kingdom for linemen" No threat to the Bard but you get the idea.Development is important but if everyone else has better players it’s not going to help much. Recruiting and development go hand in hand. You can be decent with one and not the other, but you’ll never be better than decent without both.
He won 10 games at Mich St for the first time in over 30 years. He finished in the top 10 his last season there, beating Ohio St, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Florida in the same year. Sure he had less talent than at Alabama. He seemed to know what to do with them though. Saban at Alabama is what you get when you have great talent and great coaching. You get a dynasty. If you are insinuating that the dynasty was going to happen no matter who the coach was just because talent means everything then I will just politely disagree.Nick Saban at Michigan State vs. Nick Saban at Alabama. What’s the difference?
Players make coaches not the other way around.
I am not impressed with great running backs or receivers, we can get those...show me linemen. With apologies to Shakespeare: "A war daddy a war daddy, my kingdom for linemen" No threat to the Bard but you get the idea.
Respectfully disagree. Ron Zook was coach at Florida in the early 2000s billed as a great recruiter and players' coach he was a bust. Though he did beat UGA two of this three years but that was more than cancelled out by losing at home to Ole Miss and Tennessee and on the road to Mississippi State. His most notable achievement was in providing much hilarity on post game shows with gems like "It's correctable", "they (meaning players doing stupid stuff) are gonna do what they gonna do" Urban replaced the clown show and the rest is history. Urban won his first national championship largely with Zook's players some of whom had to be politely and some not so politely shown the door including a corner back who had been cutting class, smoking weed, and not doing what he was supposed to when summoned to Coach Urban's office announced; "Do you know who I am?" Without even looking up, Urban replied "Sure, you used to play for the University of Florida" Player development is every bit as important as recruiting.Nick Saban at Michigan State vs. Nick Saban at Alabama. What’s the difference?
Players make coaches not the other way around.
No doubt Urban was/is a better coach than Zook. But I don't know how good a disciplinarian Urban is, i mean he let Hernandez hang around no matter what trouble he got into.Respectfully disagree. Ron Zook was coach at Florida in the early 2000s billed as a great recruiter and players' coach he was a bust. Though he did beat UGA two of this three years but that was more than cancelled out by losing at home to Ole Miss and Tennessee and on the road to Mississippi State. His most notable achievement was in providing much hilarity on post game shows with gems like "It's correctable", "they (meaning players doing stupid stuff) are gonna do what they gonna do" Urban replaced the clown show and the rest is history. Urban won his first national championship largely with Zook's players some of whom had to be politely and some not so politely shown the door including a corner back who had been cutting class, smoking weed, and not doing what he was supposed to when summoned to Coach Urban's office announced; "Do you know who I am?" Without even looking up, Urban replied "Sure, you used to play for the University of Florida" Player development is every bit as important as recruiting.
I think most players on the team have shown improvement. You have to have the talent or size or speed to start with though.We are saying the same thing but in a different order
Paradoxically, my Florida fans marvel that he was no real trouble at Florida except for smoking weed. They think it was Tebow and that linebacker whose name escapes me that kept him in line plus he got in trouble when he went back to that environment in Conn. where he was from. Getting drafted by the Patriots was the worst thing that could have happened to him A tragic waste of talent to be sure. Urban was not all that great a disciplinarian just in comparison to Zook who actually went with some of his players who had got into some kind of brawl with fraternity boys over something stupid. Urban was very good at getting ready for big games. He just ate UGA alive. Except that game when the dwags all left the bench to celebrate the first TD. Perhaps, 2007 or so?No doubt Urban was/is a better coach than Zook. But I don't know how good a disciplinarian Urban is, i mean he let Hernandez hang around no matter what trouble he got into.
What you just described isn’t player development though, it’s processing.Respectfully disagree. Ron Zook was coach at Florida in the early 2000s billed as a great recruiter and players' coach he was a bust. Though he did beat UGA two of this three years but that was more than cancelled out by losing at home to Ole Miss and Tennessee and on the road to Mississippi State. His most notable achievement was in providing much hilarity on post game shows with gems like "It's correctable", "they (meaning players doing stupid stuff) are gonna do what they gonna do" Urban replaced the clown show and the rest is history. Urban won his first national championship largely with Zook's players some of whom had to be politely and some not so politely shown the door including a corner back who had been cutting class, smoking weed, and not doing what he was supposed to when summoned to Coach Urban's office announced; "Do you know who I am?" Without even looking up, Urban replied "Sure, you used to play for the University of Florida" Player development is every bit as important as recruiting.