This chart is telling. NC State had a pretty good year but simply cannot get out from under the UNC train. They have 1 four star while the Tar Heels have 11. The ACC is becoming a two tiered conference. There is the top tier of Notre Dame, Miami, Clemson, and UNC. Then, there is everyone else. I suppose one could make a case for Syracuse and Duke to have a bottom grouping all to themselves except that Syracuse beat us this year. The gap between the conference aristocracy and the peasants grows wider every year.
Even former elite factory teams cannot withstand multiple years of bad coaching. Eventually, it catches up to you. Exhibit A would be Tennessee. Always talented but the multiple disasters with Derek Dooley, Kiffin, etc. has finally toppled the Vols into a huge mess that will take the better part of a decade to recover. Florida has successive poor coaches with McElwain and Champ but have managed to still get good players in spite of Mullins being a less than engaging recruiter. Nebraska may never recover from their current malaise because like Tennessee they do not have a natural recruiting gold mine in their back yard. Winning is not everything in recruiting but it sure does help and we desperately need to win more than three or four next year.
fifthquarter.net
“It would be unnecessary to automatically put Collins on the hot seat, even if Georgia Tech once again fails to fully break out. The motto remains process over result. Collins can be judged more fairly — and harshly — in 2022.”Just going to leave this here.....no position on the matter.
Column: How Can We Evaluate Georgia Tech Coach Geoff Collins Going Into 2021? - Fifth Quarter
Forced to revamp a system, Geoff Collins has won just six games over his first two seasons at Georgia Tech. A look at how to evaluate his tenure so far.
I mean... I trust my opinion over some random 5th quarter writer. I also tend to trust my opinion of college football over 99.9% of college football "analysts".
Yea I’m more referring to the small amount of fans claiming its breakout or bust this year for Collins. Geoff surely is shooting for 8 wins this season but if for some reason we only hit 3 he isn’t losing his job yet.
Its breakout or bust in that, to keep any momentum going, he has to breakout this season. Yes he probably won't be fired this year if he busts, but recruiting would likely tank and the probability of him breaking out in year 4 would be very low. His fate would essentially be sealed unless he pulled off a 9+ win season in year 4.
Hope we win more games but we still have a lot of young players and we have to hope we don't have too many injuries .
This just doesn't even make sense. Year 3, 2 years of recruits (mostly freshmen and RS freshmen, with some sophomores), will still be a building year. Hope for more wins, but there won't be a drop in recruiting if the W/L record isn't great.
I agree. I doubt his job would be under pressure with a losing record, but his recruiting momentum would be jeopardized.
100% correct. I had an appointment to USAFA and ended up going to GT. Convinced my best friend to go to USMA. He’s still my best friend but wouldn’t blame if he wasn’t. Different worlds then - completely so now.
There will be a drop in recruiting if he goes 3-X again. There will also be a drop in attendance, fan support, and donations. 3 straight seasons of the worst football in over 20 years is something nobody wants to be associated with or watch.
I think you're wrong. Absolutely wrong. Dead wrong. The fans will *****, but there won't be a drop in recruiting. No improvement with his first class being juniors, then we might see an affect.
Thats why every opinion is similar, almost worthless. Just like mine. But I mostly agree with yeti92. I would put the floor to keep his recruiting momentum going at 6 wins and a really bad bowl if he can get that with 6 wins. But 3 seasons at 3,3,6 wins is a trend he is going to have trouble not attaching to his capabilities. I think he is a great recruiter but a very sub par coach. So far he has yet to demonstrate that he is improving as a coach.
And even if he turns out to be an “average” HC, GT needs more, because even if he surprises with consistent top 25 recruiting (TBD), he still needs to be a top 10% HC to get us where we want to be. Like you, I’m very dubious so far about him even being average as a HC, but maybe he will actually surprise us all.
As I have said before, imo, how we are playing in late Oct to mid Nov in 2021 will speak volumes. If we still shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and turnovers at that point, then even top 20 classes won't help us because we have a coaching issue. Otoh, if we look sharp and are just outplayed by better players, then I believe we are on our way to much better times. No need to wait until the end of 2022 to know. AlabamaBuzz has it mostly right. It may not require a top 10% HC, as a top 20% might do just fine with top 25 classes. Fifth year overall as a HC should tell the tale (greatest transition in CFB history or not).
I do really want him to succeed, No one is born a good coach. I do think he can improve, he will just have to Want to be a better coach, not just a good/great recruiter. The want makes you look at yourself and face some harsh realities. Then you can improve.