Article CFP unanimously approves 5+7 model for new 12-team playoff

[LT 1967]

The attached article may be of interest. This is by Ralph Russo of the AP. He presents the same basic theme as Pat Forde, but has a little more concerning the ACC and Big 12. A Fort Worth reporter contributed to article.

I absolutely agree that our ACC leadership needs to be more proactive. Perhaps the ACC should consider joining the Big 12 with our own "Advisory Committee"

Disregard above. I had trouble attaching the Article.

 

[stinger78]

yes, but if you have the top 12 teams (+/- ) in a playoff, you are moving your MNC to a 99% confidence level. I know that's not 100%, but it's pretty darn good.

It better than pretty darn good for the SECheat and B1G. With a minimum of 6 of the 12 teams, figure their odds.

 

[forensicbuzz]

yes, but if you have the top 12 teams (+/- ) in a playoff, you are moving your MNC to a 99% confidence level. I know that's not 100%, but it's pretty darn good.

Probably increasing but probably not 99%. There is the best over a season and the best at one particular point in the season (end of the season). 12 v. 4 certainly helps. 32 would probably settle it.

 

[IM79]

The attached article may be of interest. This is by Ralph Russo of the AP. He presents the same basic theme as Pat Forde, but has a little more concerning the ACC and Big 12. A Fort Worth reporter contributed to article.

I absolutely agree that our ACC leadership needs to be more proactive. Perhaps the ACC should consider joining the Big 12 with our own "Advisory Committee"

Analysis: Big Ten and SEC power play undermines credibility of playoff, marginalizes ACC and Big 12

The 12-team College Football Playoff that was unveiled in 2021 looked like an exciting evolution of the postseason.

apnews.com

 

[MWBATL]

I’m an odd duck and I now it. Playoff titles when they involve more and more teams mean little to me. Not nothing, but no where near as meaningful as regular season championships, imho. Viewership and dollars tell me I’m the odd man out. But it’s how I feel. This new system will result in a 2nd or 3rd place conference team winning a “national championship”. Nope.Not right. Never will be.

But it will generate $$$.

 

[TampaBuzz]

I’m an odd duck and I now it. Playoff titles when they involve more and more teams mean little to me. Not nothing, but no where near as meaningful as regular season championships, imho. Viewership and dollars tell me I’m the odd man out. But it’s how I feel. This new system will result in a 2nd or 3rd place conference team winning a “national championship”. Nope.Not right. Never will be.

But it will generate $$$.

I am in 100% agreement. Only conference champions should be in any kind of a playoff. I am a big fan of the concept of blowing up all of the existing conferences and creating 8 new (preferably regional), 16-team conferences. Then those 8 conference champions proceed to a playoff. It will never happen, but the logic is awesome!

 

[Richard7125]

Probably increasing but probably not 99%. There is the best over a season and the best at one particular point in the season (end of the season). 12 v. 4 certainly helps. 32 would probably settle it.

"probably increasing?"

 

[Richard7125]

I am in 100% agreement. Only conference champions should be in any kind of a playoff. I am a big fan of the concept of blowing up all of the existing conferences and creating 8 new (preferably regional), 16-team conferences. Then those 8 conference champions proceed to a playoff. It will never happen, but the logic is awesome!

the NCAA basketball tournament says Hi.

 

[Root4GT]

I am in 100% agreement. Only conference champions should be in any kind of a playoff. I am a big fan of the concept of blowing up all of the existing conferences and creating 8 new (preferably regional), 16-team conferences. Then those 8 conference champions proceed to a playoff. It will never happen, but the logic is awesome!

The biggest issue with "only the conference champion" is with these huge conferences 16-18 teams getting a true Conference Champion is not much more reliable than saying the CFP Champion isn't a National Champion. The Conference Champion Games can now have 2 teams that have as few as 3 common conference opponents. Rather silly but that is where we are now and college football is not going backwards!

 

[forensicbuzz]

I am in 100% agreement. Only conference champions should be in any kind of a playoff. I am a big fan of the concept of blowing up all of the existing conferences and creating 8 new (preferably regional), 16-team conferences. Then those 8 conference champions proceed to a playoff. It will never happen, but the logic is awesome!

Conferences need to be small enough that everyone plays everyone. That's why I said conferences of 10. 9 conference games and 3 games to do with what you want. OOC games don't affect you getting into the playoff, so there's an opportunity to play tougher teams without penalty.

 

[JacketOff]

I’m an odd duck and I now it. Playoff titles when they involve more and more teams mean little to me. Not nothing, but no where near as meaningful as regular season championships, imho. Viewership and dollars tell me I’m the odd man out. But it’s how I feel. This new system will result in a 2nd or 3rd place conference team winning a “national championship”. Nope.Not right. Never will be.

But it will generate $$$.

I hate expanded playoffs in all sports. Expanding the playoffs doesn’t give you more meaningful games. It just gives you more games to sell to fans and TV audiences as being important. Being the best team across an entire regular season schedule is more representative of being a “true” champion than being the hottest team for a couple of weeks. Eventually leagues will just start putting everyone into the playoffs, and even the first rounds of the playoffs will start to feel no different than regular season games. I mean hell, the NBA is trying to create the playoffs within the regular season because they’ve devalued it so much. If over half the league wasn’t in the playoffs, which take way too long anyway, you wouldn’t have to create ways to trick people into watching regular season games. Because the regular season would actually mean something.

Baseball’s original wild card playoff system had it right I think. 30 teams, 8 make the playoffs. 6 division winners and 2 wild cards. No byes, no stupid play-in games, no 1 game shootouts, just the best teams in the league that year battling for 1 extra month.

People claim adding playoff teams makes the games mean more, when all they’re really doing is shifting “meaningfulness” from the regular season into the playoffs. Further devaluing the regular season, and making it even more enticing to further expand the playoffs. It’s a never ending cycle that only exists to pad execs pockets.

 

[stinger78]

Analysis: Big Ten and SEC power play undermines credibility of playoff, marginalizes ACC and Big 12

The 12-team College Football Playoff that was unveiled in 2021 looked like an exciting evolution of the postseason.

apnews.com

Yeah, I mean, this ought to be manifestly obvious to all but there are many (even in here) who just shrug away the obvious. It is killing CFB as we know it. FWIW, I agree that the ACC, B12, and what remains of a retooled P12 need to unite and create their own playoff to drop in front of the SEC/B1G cartel. The issue with the cartel is they have now collected so many top programs that they cannot back down. Those teams have to go somewhere. They are now stuck.

 

[roadkill]

I’m an odd duck and I now it. Playoff titles when they involve more and more teams mean little to me. Not nothing, but no where near as meaningful as regular season championships, imho. Viewership and dollars tell me I’m the odd man out. But it’s how I feel. This new system will result in a 2nd or 3rd place conference team winning a “national championship”. Nope.Not right. Never will be.

But it will generate $$$.

I am in 100% agreement. Only conference champions should be in any kind of a playoff. I am a big fan of the concept of blowing up all of the existing conferences and creating 8 new (preferably regional), 16-team conferences. Then those 8 conference champions proceed to a playoff. It will never happen, but the logic is awesome!

Here's a fantasy scenario to contemplate. It's 2014 again but there's a 12-team playoff. We lose a close and hard-fought ACC Championship to FSU. But our Orange Bowl is a playoff game. Wouldn't you want us to win it and advance? What if we ended up winning the next two and were crowned champions? Not deserving?

 

[stinger78]

Here's a fantasy scenario to contemplate. It's 2014 again but there's a 12-team playoff. We lose a close and hard-fought ACC Championship to FSU. But our Orange Bowl is a playoff game. Wouldn't you want us to win it and advance? What if we ended up winning the next two and were crowned champions? Not deserving?

As long as access is equitable then I have no issue. When the SEC/B1G cartel gets 6 of 12 entries it is equitable and only serves their aspirations. All CFB serves their aspirations. Nope.

 

[forensicbuzz]

the NCAA basketball tournament says Hi.

Apples and oranges.

 

[SOWEGA Jacket]

Name any other sport at any level where winning a division or conference is a prerequisite to becoming the champion? It doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed since MLB only had 4 playoff teams - which took 162 games to determine. I’d personally would love a 50 game college football season over 6 months with games every Saturday and Wednesday.

I sorta agree with forensic and the idea in a perfect world we have a bunch of 8-10 team conferences who all play each other and then the champs go to the playoffs. But in that scenario with 130 FBS teams we’d have 13 teams in if each conference has 10 teams. So in essence, we are kinda agreeing. The problem today that we are addressing is that we have mega conferences so the ideal situation is impossible. And what we’ve seen under the beauty pageant system was teams play as weak a schedule as they could because 1 loss and your done. That’s now how sports operate. Losing and adjusting is what builds champions.

 

[forensicbuzz]

"probably increasing?"

Would you prefer "most likely?"

 

[forensicbuzz]

Name any other sport at any level where winning a division or conference is a prerequisite to becoming the champion? It doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed since MLB only had 4 playoff teams - which took 162 games to determine. I’d personally would love a 50 game college football season over 6 months with games every Saturday and Wednesday.

I sorta agree with forensic and the idea in a perfect world we have a bunch of 8-10 team conferences who all play each other and then the champs go to the playoffs. But in that scenario with 130 FBS teams we’d have 13 teams in if each conference has 10 teams. So in essence, we are kinda agreeing. The problem today that we are addressing is that we have mega conferences so the ideal situation is impossible. And what we’ve seen under the beauty pageant system was teams play as weak a schedule as they could because 1 loss and your done. That’s now how sports operate. Losing and adjusting is what builds champions.

I think a divisional split is inevitable. Once that happens (along money lines), there will be less chaos (or maybe more chaos).

 

[L41k18]

Yeah, I mean, this ought to be manifestly obvious to all but there are many (even in here) who just shrug away the obvious. It is killing CFB as we know it. FWIW, I agree that the ACC, B12, and what remains of a retooled P12 need to unite and create their own playoff to drop in front of the SEC/B1G cartel. The issue with the cartel is they have now collected so many top programs that they cannot back down. Those teams have to go somewhere. They are now stuck.

CFB "as we knew it" has died many times in our lifetimes. 1 platoon changed to 2 platoon. Freshmen became eligible. Integration. Myriad rules changes, several major ones each decade. Supreme Court ruling allowing more games on tv (hallelujah!). Title IX legislation which forced the hand of the NCAA to impose scholarship limits. Heretofore unimagined specialists in the game. Tempo offenses. NIL. Portal.

It is a never ending story of change. Some good, some bad. Kinda like all the other things in the world.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

It is a never ending story of change. Some good, some bad. Kinda like all the other things in the world.

Changes are not permanent, but change is.