Ahmaud Arbery murder case

[kg01]

Did you really tell your son he’s not allowed to jog in public? I’m simply curious if you really did or if you were being dramatic in the moment.

That's not what I said.

But I wish I could be flippant about that sort of thing.

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[Milwaukee]

A new video was released that shows Arbery walking through the neighborhood and going into a house. It’s looking more and more like he was not out for a jog, unfortunately. This trial is going to be crazy. The 2 killers defense lawyers are going to argue they were attempting to stop and question the man for entering the home and the man lunged at them and wrestled for their gun so they had to shoot in self defense. These 2 murderers will more than likely walk, and they created the deadly encounter. Crazy.

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[kg01]

Were the killers in that case protected by the police and DA? Did they avoid charge or scrutiny or even basic investigation for months after the fact?

If not, I'm not sure why this is relevant if not to just muddy the waters and discredit the effort for justice in the Brunswick case.

 

[GT_EE78]

Were the killers in that case protected by the police and DA? Did they avoid charge or scrutiny or even basic investigation for months after the fact?

If not, I'm not sure why this is relevant if not to just muddy the waters and discredit the effort for justice in the Brunswick case.

of course it's relevant.maybe the suspect was fleeing the scene of the crime.Citizens arrests are legal in over 40 states

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

of course it's relevant.maybe the suspect was fleeing the scene of the crime.Citizens arrests are legal in over 40 states

I think the biggest issue for me is who attacked who?

 

[kg01]

of course it's relevant.maybe the suspect was fleeing the scene of the crime.Citizens arrests are legal in over 40 states

This is ridiculous.

So every violent crime is now relevant then? This is a distraction.

 

[GT_EE78]

I think the biggest issue for me is who attacked who?

That's why the McMichaels attorney friend said that he posted the video.
What the DA said was "Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck."

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

According to official reports, Arbery entered the house CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION and then continued his jog. Who among us has never entered a house under construction just to check it out? I know I have many times.

The lawyers representing the Arbery family -- Lee Merritt, Ben Crump and Chris Stewart -- released a statement saying the new video does not change the version of events outlined by the family leading up to Arbery's shooting.

"Our office has reviewed the surveillance video which appears to show a person, believed to be Ahmaud Arbery, entering a property under construction. The individual remains on the property for under 3 minutes before continuing to jog down the road," the lawyers said in a joint statement Saturday. "This video is consistent with the evidence already known to us. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. He stopped by a property under construction where he engaged in no illegal activity and remained for only a brief period. Ahmaud did not take anything from the construction site. He did not cause any damage to the property. He remained for a brief period of time and was not instructed by anyone to leave but rather left on his own accord to continue his jog."

 

[RonJohn]

of course it's relevant.maybe the suspect was fleeing the scene of the crime.Citizens arrests are legal in over 40 states

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

A new video was released that shows Arbery walking through the neighborhood and going into a house. It’s looking more and more like he was not out for a jog, unfortunately. This trial is going to be crazy. The 2 killers defense lawyers are going to argue they were attempting to stop and question the man for entering the home and the man lunged at them and wrestled for their gun so they had to shoot in self defense. These 2 murderers will more than likely walk, and they created the deadly encounter. Crazy.

And yet we have the DA lying in writing about the case, and refusing to arrest the men even while having probable cause.

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

Exactly. This guy didn’t want to be lynched without fighting back. Whether or not he was involved in something earlier is irrelevant.

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

Are you certain that the men with guns assaulted the jogger? It appears from the video that the jogger initiated the attack on one of the men with guns.

 

[Milwaukee]

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

They were actually in the video and witnessed the man go into the house though. That’s where all this gets muddy as hell. Trial is gonna be nuts, with riots to follow most likely.

Just speaking from my perspective, who in tf tries to apprehend a suspect with a citizens arrest?? Like who does that? I can see calling the police and following from a distance until they arrived but physically trying to stop someone? They’re dead wrong for that, and a man is dead now.

 

[Milwaukee]

Are you certain that the men with guns assaulted the jogger? It appears from the video that the jogger initiated the attack on one of the men with guns.

That’s what their lawyers are going to drive home in court. They attempted to stop him and he lunged for their gun. I mean he kinda did but why are you there with ****ing shotguns in the middle of the road? That’s extremely excessive.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Are you certain that the men with guns assaulted the jogger? It appears from the video that the jogger initiated the attack on one of the men with guns.

It appears to me when I watch the video that Ahmaud, based on the actions of the men, the guns they were holding, and the words they were shouting, assumed he was about to get lynched. He made a split second decision when they continued to move to block his path and confront him with guns drawn to at least go down fighting. That is my speculation, I admit.

 

[Studdard63]

Are you certain that the men with guns assaulted the jogger? It appears from the video that the jogger initiated the attack on one of the men with guns.

Simple Assault under the Georgia statute is committing an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury. Whether their initial act of rolling up on him with guns could be considered an assault is probably a question the jury will have to decide.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

You also need to consider that IF they had seen the video of the guy in that house, they would have had to have made the video themselves (which is likely). And if they made the video, then they know he had only been inside that (under construction) house for 3 minutes and didn't leave with anything from it.

 

[GT_EE78]

In Georgia to make a citizens arrest a crime had to be committed in your presence. Thinking sometime looks similar to a video of an earlier crime is not enough. Thinking he might have committed a crime a few minutes ago isn't enough.

Pulling a gun on someone is assault with a deadly weapon. If you commit a felony and a death results from that felony, you have committed murder. In this case, private citizens committed assault with deadly weapons. The person they assaulted fought back and was killed. There is a Supreme Court ruling that says you cannot create a life threatening condition for another person and then use the fact that the other person reacts to save themselves as justification to kill them.

maybe " within his immediate knowledge" is the relevant passage. In a letter the DA said that the McMichaels had "solid first hand probable cause" but he didn't elaborate on what that was.
OCGA17-4-60 A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”

 

[forensicbuzz]

Were the killers in that case protected by the police and DA? Did they avoid charge or scrutiny or even basic investigation for months after the fact?

If not, I'm not sure why this is relevant if not to just muddy the waters and discredit the effort for justice in the Brunswick case.

It's an opportunity to shine the national light on another heart-wrenching situation. Something that needs to be addressed, as well.