ACC Discussion

[kg01]

Yeah, I figured the state would eventually repeal the law and that the ACC folks would basically drag their feet until that happens.

 

[YlJacket]

Actually and if you look at the court cases so far, NC has a good shot of being upheld. However, if the Democrats take the governor or legislature, which is quite possible, it will be reversed post haste.

 

[mstranahan]

The ACC Tourney is in Brookly in 2017 and 2018. I think the HB2 debate will be long over before the 2019 tourney. If the law stands as is and all the other entities remain out of the state (NCAA, NBA and lots of big corps), the ACC will not hold the tourney in the state and they will also look at moving the league offices. Honestly, given the pressures from all quarters, I think NC legislature will repeal the law before 2019

 

[dtm1997]

 

[YlJacket]

I misread that one for sure. Thought UNC and NCSU would not want to bite the hand that feeds them. NCAA forced their hand.

 

[orientalnc]

I received an email yesterday:

“The order you placed for the NCAA Men’s Basketball Championship in Greensboro has been refunded in full today, September 13, 2016. Please note it may take 2-3 business days to show on your credit card statement. If you have questions regarding the refund, customer service specialists will be available to assist you by calling 866-208-0048.

Once a new location has been selected to replace Greensboro you will have the opportunity to purchase tickets during a presale.

We apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your support of the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship.”

 

[orientalnc]

I misread that one for sure. Thought UNC and NCSU would not want to bite the hand that feeds them. NCAA forced their hand.

UNC and NCSU both stated they will not enforce HB2 restrictions on campus.

 

[mstranahan]

not surprised. no way the ACC could hold events in the state with the law on the books. hoops tourney being in Brooklyn made the decision much easier as it is their big money event. the only big event this impacts (I think) is the football championship game in Charlotte.

 

[orientalnc]

not surprised. no way the ACC could hold events in the state with the law on the books. hoops tourney being in Brooklyn made the decision much easier as it is their big money event. the only big event this impacts (I think) is the football championship game in Charlotte.

The baseball tournament in Durham is huge and Cary has three championships, including soccer.

 

[mstranahan]

forgot baseball was at DBAP. That probably does represent a meaningful hit to Durham's tourism coffers. Do the soccer and lax tourneys generate much revenue for the city? I haven't ever attended so not sure if the tax revenue will be much of a hit for SAS-Ville

 

[kg01]

Just a brief break from the HB2 discussion, apparently MIA Fr. Dewan Huell did not take kindly to his ex gf being holed up in a closet with some other dude. Arrested for battery.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...alds-all-american-arrested-on-battery-charge/

 

[MWBATL]

Very, VERY sad (imho) for any sports to get involved in politics. This is a rather blatant attempt to support the Democrat Party in NC, which is campaigning on the economic impact of H2 in that state, and the NCAA and the ACC has just added fuel to what is simply a partisan political battle. The timing right before a major election stinks to high heaven. I would say the same if the NCAA and the ACC came out with statements supporting H2. For me, sports is an escape from all the partisan, angry garbage on the news channels. I just hate it when it spills over onto ESPN, no matter what side of the spectrum it comes from.

I will admit that I resent that Bud Peterson seems instrumental in both decisions. Keep sports separate!

 

[mstranahan]

I don't think the NCAA, NFL, NBA or all the major corporations pulling out of NC has anything to do with supporting the Dem Party. The same entities told the state of Georgia that they would do the same if Deal signed the anti-gay law here last Fall.

It's not a political party issue. It's a business decision.

The entities all have constituent groups they rely on to drive revenue, profit and their existence. They all looked at the situation and thought they would lose more if they supported the laws than they would gain. Similarly, if they oppose the laws, they believe they will gain more than they will lose. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen (and will essentially be an academic exercise as opportunity cost is hard to prove)

 

[orientalnc]

Sports cannot be separated from politics.

 

[kg01]

Sports cannot be separated from politics.

Ideally I'd want total separation. Unfortunately, with how much money is involved, the two worlds come crashing together more and more.

 

[AE 87]

I don't think the NCAA, NFL, NBA or all the major corporations pulling out of NC has anything to do with supporting the Dem Party. The same entities told the state of Georgia that they would do the same if Deal signed the anti-gay law here last Fall.

It's not a political party issue. It's a business decision.

The entities all have constituent groups they rely on to drive revenue, profit and their existence. They all looked at the situation and thought they would lose more if they supported the laws than they would gain. Similarly, if they oppose the laws, they believe they will gain more than they will lose. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen (and will essentially be an academic exercise as opportunity cost is hard to prove)

This. Social conservatives don't weild social pressure.

 

[MWBATL]

I don't think the NCAA, NFL, NBA or all the major corporations pulling out of NC has anything to do with supporting the Dem Party. The same entities told the state of Georgia that they would do the same if Deal signed the anti-gay law here last Fall.

It's not a political party issue. It's a business decision.

The entities all have constituent groups they rely on to drive revenue, profit and their existence. They all looked at the situation and thought they would lose more if they supported the laws than they would gain. Similarly, if they oppose the laws, they believe they will gain more than they will lose. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen (and will essentially be an academic exercise as opportunity cost is hard to prove)

That is sensible and in general, I agree, especially with regard to the pro sports leagues. EXCEPT that in this case, the ACC and the NCAA is made up of mostly public universities who rely heavily on government funding, and they will tend to bend in the wind the way they think the government wants them to bend. Hence, since the government is currently and has been run by the Democrat Party for the last 8 years, may mean they bend that way. Academia has notably been more liberal and more supportive of progressive ideas in general for decades as well. Between those two observations, I remain highly suspicious that these moves have strong political roots.

I just regret that sports and politics get mixed together.

 

[mstranahan]

There are several public universities in the ACC. (private schools excluded based on the argument that this is all about public funding)
The current governor in every state except Virginia state is Republican. If the ACC is cowing to political power to keep funding, they would go conservative, not liberal

NC (UNC & NCSU) -- McCrory (R)
SC (Clemson) -- Haley (R)
GA (Tech) -- Deal (R)
VA (UVA & VPI) -- McAuliffe (D)
FL (FSU) -- Scott (R)
KY (Louisville) -- Bevin (R)

Private: Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Wake, Duke, Notre Dame, Miami

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There are several public universities in the ACC. (private schools excluded based on the argument that this is all about public funding)
The current governor in every state except Virginia state is Republican. If the ACC is cowing to political power to keep funding, they would go conservative, not liberal

NC (UNC & NCSU) -- McCrory (R)
SC (Clemson) -- Haley (R)
GA (Tech) -- Deal (R)
VA (UVA & VPI) -- McAuliffe (D)
FL (FSU) -- Scott (R)
KY (Louisville) -- Bevin (R)

Private: Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Wake, Duke, Notre Dame, Miami

You seem unfamiliar with the way universities are operated and by whom.

 

[mstranahan]

Actually, one of my parents was in local government for 20+ years and the other spent 40+ years in university administration, so I probably know more than most. Difference is I know how things actually work (at one university and in one state) directly, not from a talk radio host or Wikipedia
I don't have any unique insight into all universities or state governments,nor do I want any specific knowledge about the workings of the NCAA Death Star or Darth Swofford