AARON MF PHILO

[MtnWasp]

I don’t see anything about him having an arm injury at Texas A&M. He suffered a broken leg there….

linky

 

[MWBATL]

linky

Thanks. Now I understand. If this is his second shoulder injury. No info on whether he had surgery back then or not. States his shoulder popped out and then back in…so clearly was a separation.

 

[stinger78]

linky

This.

 

[TechPhi97]

…Perhaps the biggest lesson is really about decision making and not so much about the amount of zip. An early throw to the flat to Stockton was a very safe option (and as high a chance of completion as you can get) … Often, young talented QBs think they can make every play. He nearly made this one. The cost of not making it was catastrophic. The entire outcome of the game was strongly influenced by that single decision. He will learn and grow.

This is good stuff (probably because I agree), so thank you. Cut out some of your post for brevity, but wanted to comment. This is what turns good QBs into great ones - the ability to increase the speed and accuracy of their decisions, within the bounds of their talent. Even veteran QBs think they can make every play and it can get them in trouble - used to say this about Drake May, he would make throws into bad spots every game.

Sometimes I think us fans think that these guys should make every play also. It’s rare to see a perfect game by anyone especially in college - giving these young men some grace is always a good idea.

 

[LongforDodd]

If King is healthy he probably will.

He seems to be injury prone so my money is not on him staying injury free next year.

 

[57jacket]

For QBs, a strong arm, quick release, accurate throws, are valuable attributes, but seeing the field and finding the open man is essential to being successful. King, while a decent arm, threw into coverage too many times IMHO. The run / option is clearly his best game. Philo just seems to have a bigger upside. A one time/ one game thing? We'll see. I hope he's the real deal.

 

[iceeater1969]

We need better receivers to go with an NFL caliber QB. Too many times guys had passes hit them in bad places (their hands) and resulted in drops/tips. Granted, defenders were there to distract them or poke at the ball after they grabbed it, but too often those pokes and grabs dislodged the ball for incompletions.

You can argue (as a number of you have) that Philo needs to learn how to feather those passes in, but I think our receivers need to be stronger on the ball.

Top recruit

Philo has played in the Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Miami and NCSt games. Which one was the meaningful one?

Not a comment to this post specifically but more in general: I roll my eyes at fans who have to pick a QB as their guy and then act like support or enthusiasm for another player is some kind of disloyalty. Feeling the need to defend Haynes King is just so misplaced. To knock Philo and to knock fans for being excited about Philo because they think it is a knock against Haynes King is equally whacked.

Philo's play is worthy of enthusiasm. It has nothing to do with Haynes King.

Also, there is a perplexing degree of obtuseness among fans regarding Haynes King's health. His shoulder has not been right the entire year and has only deteriorated as the season has progressed. There was not a single injury here but a chronic condition that has worsened.

Haynes King has not thrown the ball the same as last season from the FSU game on. Even at FSU his arm strength was noticeably down and his accuracy on his long throws was poor and nothing like last season. The "vanilla" game planning by the staff is not a reflection on our OC but a direct reflection of the limitations on Haynes King's ability to throw the ball effectively.

A credit to the staff for keeping the condition under wraps for as long as they did. A credit to Haynes King for being one tough SOB and a great leader.

But, knock 'em dead Philo!

And if any injury you better play till your arm falls off.

 

[iceeater1969]

For QBs, a strong arm, quick release, accurate throws, are valuable attributes, but seeing the field and finding the open man is essential to being successful. King, while a decent arm, threw into coverage too many times IMHO. The run / option is clearly his best game. Philo just seems to have a bigger upside. A one time/ one game thing? We'll see. I hope he's the real deal.

Great post.
Add in a touch of our WR room was hyped but we still dont get WIDE OPEN or much separation. When will we see Singleton about to catch the kng ball and think "this going to be a great catch instead of i hope he doesn't drop it".

Imo, Philo seems better at reading the field and that will make him great in late 25.

Key is building long term - ol is going to be strong, WR room will be better, and if king gets injured , pyron and philo will and have little drop off on the way to conference championship. In 25 Wienke and buster will adjust offense to ADD way more pro sets.

 

[stinger78]

I don’t know that CBF is a pro set guy. Maybe so, just don’t know. Gailey was the last pro set guy we had.

 

[Flajacket]

If King is healthy he probably will.

That is a tall order. He has not been as healthy this year as last year, even with the off season.

To get back to 23 shape will be a steep hill to climb.

I just don't see King being able to play every game next year unless surgery can fix the problem.

 

[stinger78]

That is a tall order. He has not been as healthy this year as last year, even with the off season.

To get back to 23 shape will be a steep hill to climb.

I just don't see King being able to play every game next year unless surgery can fix the problem.

Unfortunately, nor do I.

 

[Heisman's Ghost]

He’s good but he’s no where near Calvin good.

Among just quarterbacks? He probably is the best since Joe Hamilton. Can you imagine if he was throwing to Calvin Johnson, Kerry Watkins, Jonathan Smith, James Johnson, etc.? He would probably have amassed about 10,000 yards in his career.

 

[MGTfan]

That is a tall order. He has not been as healthy this year as last year, even with the off season.

To get back to 23 shape will be a steep hill to climb.

I just don't see King being able to play every game next year unless surgery can fix the problem.

Doesn’t have to play every game for Philo to be able to redshirt.

 

[Jacketman99]

Philo is Faulkner's hand picked guy. He has the most pure throwing talent of anyone in our qb room and runs good enough. It would not surprise me at all if he is the starter next season, especially with the playing time that he is getting this season.

 

[takethepoints]

We need better receivers to go with an NFL caliber QB. Too many times guys had passes hit them in bad places (their hands) and resulted in drops/tips. Granted, defenders were there to distract them or poke at the ball after they grabbed it, but too often those pokes and grabs dislodged the ball for incompletions.

You can argue (as a number of you have) that Philo needs to learn how to feather those passes in, but I think our receivers need to be stronger on the ball.

I think the answer here is to compare the receptions the same WRs made when King was throwing the ball. No problemo. Oth, the WRS aren't used to the velocity they get with Philo's throws.

Another comparison: his most reliable WR - after Singleton - so far has been Stockton. And I'm betting that is because Bailey is used to how he throws and is ready for it.

I don't think, iow, that Philo needs to slow down his throws. What has to happen - and it does seem to be taking place - is that the WRs need to get used to how he throws and what to be ready for. It'll probably take spring and a slightly different O to make that happen. Again, that's if Philo wins the job; he's nothing but the front runner now.

 

[cpf2001]

I think the answer here is to compare the receptions the same WRs made when King was throwing the ball. No problemo. Oth, the WRS aren't used to the velocity they get with Philo's throws.

Another comparison: his most reliable WR - after Singleton - so far has been Stockton. And I'm betting that is because Bailey is used to how he throws and is ready for it.

I don't think, iow, that Philo needs to slow down his throws. What has to happen - and it does seem to be taking place - is that the WRs need to get used to how he throws and what to be ready for. It'll probably take spring and a slightly different O to make that happen. Again, that's if Philo wins the job; he's nothing but the front runner now.

We've also been complaining about drops on King throws well into last year...

 

[iceeater1969]

We've also been complaining about drops on King throws well into last year...

We beat the 14th ranked acc team with our defense scoring 2 of 3 tds.
Philo scored 1 td.
King who played 2 years and played hurt.
Some ready to move on.
Not a good look.
Philo or Pyron can take starter roll , if they can beat out king.

 

[yeti92]

King, while a decent arm, threw into coverage too many times IMHO.

Maybe last year when he was trying to win a game on his own, but this year that is an absolutely horrible take. 72.5% completion percentage, 9 passing TDs and only 1 INT in 200 attempts says he is EXTREMELY good at not putting the ball in danger.

The top 5 passing leaders per ESPN:
1. Cam Ward throws a pick every 60 pass attempts, 66.8% completion percentage
2. Kyle McCord throws a pick every 40 pass attempts, 64% completion percentage
3. Jaxson Dart throws a pick every 75 attempts, 70.8% completion percentage
4. Chandler Morris throws a pick every 35 pass attempts, 63.7% completion percentage
5. Josh Hoover throws a pick every 47 pass attempts, 67.7% completion percentage

 

[Richland County]

Philo is still making some freshman mistakes and needs to learn when to pull back on the heat for some throws. However, he is one of the most calm and poised freshman QBs I have ever seen. No matter what happened he stayed level and commanded that offense. His ability to be decisive and make quick decisions was fantastic!

Yes, the pick in the end zone exhibit A. Touch is invaluable. Philo does have a bright future.

 

[stingerman]

Philo’s receivers in high school seemed to have no trouble catching his balls based on the stats.