2024 non-GT games thread

[GT33]

So is Face Guarding a penalty If not why the hell is this still being brought up as a penalty!

I think I speak for nearly 99% of us... I know the rules. I don't need to look them up or even read them a first time.

99% of us know the rules. The other half listen to the talking heads that have no idea. You'd think people who played the game professionally or at a high level (college) or who cover sports for a living would know what they're talking about, but they're no better than your average doctor or lawyer. You're have better odds spinning a roulette wheel and betting on a color than listening to what they have to say.

 

[WreckinGT]

I pick ND as well. Offense gets the chicks. Defense wins championships.

Ohio St's defense is as good if not better than ND's defense.

 

[slugboy]

So is Face Guarding a penalty If not why the hell is this still being brought up as a penalty!

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/691/ask-the-official-face-guarding-in-itself-is-illegal-only-within-high-school-rules#:~:text=If%20the%20defender%20doesn't,changes%20if%20contact%20is%20made.

The Pass Interference Rule in Football Explained

www.refrsports.com

We are getting hung up on the term face guarding. If the defender is playing the receiver instead of playing the ball, PI will get called. If they have position on the ball and are going for an interception, and back into the offensive player, it shouldn’t be PI.

 

[Root4GT]

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/691/ask-the-official-face-guarding-in-itself-is-illegal-only-within-high-school-rules#:~:text=If%20the%20defender%20doesn't,changes%20if%20contact%20is%20made.

The Pass Interference Rule in Football Explained

www.refrsports.com

We are getting hung up on the term face guarding. If the defender is playing the receiver instead of playing the ball, PI will get called. If they have position on the ball and are going for an interception, and back into the offensive player, it shouldn’t be PI.

That article lost credibility with this quote:

“Challenges: Coaches can challenge the call or lack of a call for pass interference, although the bar for overturning the call on the field is high, requiring clear and obvious visual evidence.”

In what universe is the author living?

 

[forensicbuzz]

Face Guarding is not a NFL Penalty. Pass Interference is the penalty when a defensive player interferes with a receivers ability to try and catch a ball. Physical contact is required.

Just dump the term Face Guarding for NFL and College football. It is not in either level rule book. It is an incorrect term regarding penalties.

So don’t be the guy making up terms that are not used by NFL and College football officials.

It is a term used by NFL, college, and HS officials. In the NFL, as I said, if you face guard and make contact it's almost 100% PI. If you look back, it's called 50/50 with contact. In college, with minor contact, it's seldomly called. In HS, it's a penalty even without contact. Don't need to dump the term because it is part of the penalty.

 

[Root4GT]

It is a term used by NFL, college, and HS officials. In the NFL, as I said, if you face guard and make contact it's almost 100% PI. If you look back, it's called 50/50 with contact. In college, with minor contact, it's seldomly called. In HS, it's a penalty even without contact. Don't need to dump the term because it is part of the penalty.

Do a search for the term face guardin in the NFL rule book. I could not find the term. Maybe you can and I missed it.

NFL rule book

 

[leatherneckjacket]

There was a play at the end of the Green Bay/Philadelphia game that was almost identical to the one in the ND/OSU game. Defender makes contact with receiver who is trying to get to an under thrown ball that is intercepted. At no point does the defender turn around and he most assuredly impeded the receiver, but no flag was thrown.

 

[Root4GT]

There was a play at the end of the Green Bay/Philadelphia game that was almost identical to the one in the ND/OSU game. Defender makes contact with receiver who is trying to get to an under thrown ball that is intercepted. At no point does the defender turn around and he most assuredly impeded the receiver, but no flag was thrown.

It looked like a typical PI call. The official may have decided the ball was so far underthrown the receiver had no chance to catch the ball.

PI like Targeting varies greatly play to play.

On the opening kickoff the GB fumble the returner was hit high in the chest and the tackler’s helmet made contact with the returner face mask. No call.

 

[wrmathis]

That article lost credibility with this quote:

“Challenges: Coaches can challenge the call or lack of a call for pass interference, although the bar for overturning the call on the field is high, requiring clear and obvious visual evidence.”

In what universe is the author living?

for a little while, you could challenge pass interference in the NFL. think it lasted 2 years. rarely ever got over turned

 

[Root4GT]

for a little while, you could challenge pass interference in the NFL. think it lasted 2 years. rarely ever got over turned

One year and it did not solve the issues on PI.

 

[wrmathis]

One year and it did not solve the issues on PI.

yeah i wasn't sure. thought it was 2 because i remember them trying to tweak it, but guess they just got rid of it instead. might as well if they were never going to change a call regardless. nothing is going to fix PI or Holding or Targeting. its always gonna be a judgement call/didnt see it call. less ambiguous rules will help tho.

 

[forensicbuzz]

for a little while, you could challenge pass interference in the NFL. think it lasted 2 years. rarely ever got over turned

That was a disaster.

 

[slugboy]

Do a search for the term face guardin in the NFL rule book. I could not find the term. Maybe you can and I missed it.

NFL rule book

The phrase you’re looking for is “playing the ball”. Face guarding is not playing the ball

1. Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
2. Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
3. Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
4. Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
5. Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
6. Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
7. Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.

 

[Root4GT]

The phrase you’re looking for is “playing the ball”. Face guarding is not playing the ball

1. Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
2. Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
3. Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
4. Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
5. Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
6. Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
7. Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.

So let’s just stick with the penalty name - Pass Interference

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Then the announcers are fools. Faceguarding exist in some States at the HS level. Not at higher levels. It’s not hard to look it up if one is confused!

I don’t think anyone is confused. But we are perplexed at often we used to hear that term. Again, no one is making that up. I would never even have known the term if I didn’t watch football games on TV.

 

[Root4GT]

I don’t think anyone is confused. But we are perplexed at often we used to hear that term. Again, no one is making that up. I would never even have known the term if I didn’t watch football games on TV.

True but we the GT Swarm will make the term die!

 

[Northeast Stinger]

True but we the GT Swarm will make the term die!

From your mouth to God’s ears.

 

[gtee91]

It looked like a typical PI call. The official may have decided the ball was so far underthrown the receiver had no chance to catch the ball.

PI like Targeting varies greatly play to play.

On the opening kickoff the GB fumble the returner was hit high in the chest and the tackler’s helmet made contact with the returner face mask. No call.

Yeah...nothing like inconsistent subjective calls...

 

[bobongo]

It looked like a typical PI call. The official may have decided the ball was so far underthrown the receiver had no chance to catch the ball.

PI like Targeting varies greatly play to play.

On the opening kickoff the GB fumble the returner was hit high in the chest and the tackler’s helmet made contact with the returner face mask. No call.

It should have been pass interference. The receiver probably would have had a chance to catch the ball had he not been interfered with. It looked like a blown call to me.
The "no chance to catch the ball" exception is only used when there is absolutely, positively, not a dog's chance in hell of catching it.

 

[forensicbuzz]

So let’s just stick with the penalty name - Pass Interference

You can. We're going to use the term face-guarding because when we say it EVERYONE knows exactly what we're talking about.

That's the purpose of oral language and the reason dictionaries are descriptive not proscriptive. Whatever it takes to convey the idea you're trying to share. When someone uses the term face-guarding, we all know what that means. If you're not face-guarding and there's incidental contact, chances are, PI won't be called. If you are face-guarding and there's incidental contact, chances are PI will be called. Makes it much easier to convey the idea of what happened in far fewer words. So, you can just call it what you want, and so will we, and we'll all understand each other.