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Just wait and watch…you’ll see….How do you knock a 2-loss P4 runner-up out of a 12-team playoff?
Just wait and watch…you’ll see….How do you knock a 2-loss P4 runner-up out of a 12-team playoff?
Oh, I don't doubt they will, I just don't understand how they do it other than crookedness.Just wait and watch…you’ll see….
I believe the answer is no. They already have two losses and they lose the tie breaker no matter what lese happens.Could LSU still make it to the conf championship game? Win that and they are in
Agree…I think the 3-loss team after losing a championship game is the toughest decision. I think undefeated or 1 loss team going to 2 losses (if they are the SEC or B10) should still make it. However if you look at the ACC, say MIami and SMU play in the ACC Championpship as 1 loss teams, I would bet the loser is out. But if both teams are ranked in the Top 12 and qualify for the playoffs before a championship game, it just seems unfair to knock them out.
I haven’t scrutinized the tiebreaker rules but having lost to aTm and Bama, it seems they need a lot more help than that.Apparently (according to secrant) if LSU wins out and uga beats Tenn, and Arky beats Mizzu they might be in
You, afraid of blowback?This is what I wanted to say, but was afraid I'd get blowback.
Ole Miss has lost to KY and LSUI haven’t scrutinized the tiebreaker rules but having lost to aTm and Bama, it seems they need a lot more help than that.
When we get into a 5 team logjam, who knows? Maybe if Ole Miss finished with 2 losses they get some edge?
The “they” I was referring to was LSU. It was in response to your post saying LSU has a chance.Ole Miss has lost to KY and LSU
The “they” I was referring to was LSU. It was in response to your post saying LSU has a chance.
If had typed a clear and complete thought, that post would’ve looked like:
I haven’t scrutinized the tiebreaker rules but having lost to aTm and Bama, it seemstheyLSU need a lot more help than that.
When we get into a 5 team logjam, who knows? Maybe if Ole Miss finished with 2 lossestheyLSU get some edge in the tie break procedures by having a win over another team involved in the tiebreakers?
Let's look at the B1G.
Indiana is undefeated, but their signature win is Nebraska. No, that's not right. They don't have a signature win. Their only tough game is coming up in 8 days @ Ohio St.
Oregon has beaten Boise St & Ohio St by a total of four points. No one else on their schedule matters.
Ohio St lost to Oregon by 1 and beat Penn St by a TD. Their upcoming home with Indiana will decide if they are in the CG.
Penn St lost the only game on their schedule that mattered. Even if Indiana loses, Ohio St holds the tiebreaker over Penn St.
It's going to be Oregon v. either Indiana or Ohio St in CG.
The B1G is a terrible conference except for the top 3 or 4 teams.
Correct… a VOLS win makes it simple.The SEC tie breaker rules are:
I think there are three teams with 1 loss. If Tenn wins out and the winner of the TX - A&M game remains at one loss, then the standings are easy. I have not looked at the SEC standings to check, but I seriously doubt there is a round-robin of all of the two loss teams. If there is a 5 to 7 team tie with two losses, then it is doubtful that there will be any common opponents to all teams, so 2 and 3 don't apply. The cumulative conference winning percentage of all conference opponents should yield a winner, or at least drop down to a couple of teams remaining. I didn't thoroughly read the SEC tiebreaker document, but I would think if it drops down to only two teams remaining that you would start the process over at number 1.
- Head-to-head competition among the tied teams
- Record versus all common Conference opponents among the tied teams
- Record against highest (best) placed common Conference opponent in the Conference standings, and proceeding through the Conference standings among the tied teams
- Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents among the tied teams
- Capped relative total scoring margin versus all Conference opponents among the tied teams
- Random draw of the tied teams
The SEC will step down through the tiebreaker rules until they have a winner.Again this is what some LSU guy says….i’m not sure why he thinks the first 3 tie-breakers would not be used?
If all of the current 2 loss teams win out, that would put the final teams @ 2 conference losses:
BAMA
UGA
MISS
MIZZ
TENN
LSU
TEXAS/TEXAS A&M
……now, tie breakers. The first 3 tie breaker metrics would not be used, therefore using the 4th. That rule is: “ Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents among the tied teams”
Guess who would play in the SECCG?
Texas/Texas A&M winner vs. LSU
I presume he means 1-3 can’t be employed as a tie breaker because there is not a common opponent to all tied teams.Again this is what some LSU guy says….i’m not sure why he thinks the first 3 tie-breakers would not be used?
If all of the current 2 loss teams win out, that would put the final teams @ 2 conference losses:
BAMA
UGA
MISS
MIZZ
TENN
LSU
TEXAS/TEXAS A&M
……now, tie breakers. The first 3 tie breaker metrics would not be used, therefore using the 4th. That rule is: “ Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents among the tied teams”
Guess who would play in the SECCG?
Texas/Texas A&M winner vs. LSU
A big problem with his assessment is that nobody knows what the final win percentage of their opponents is. Tenn might look good at the moment, but they play 2-4 UF, 3-3 Vandy, and 1-5 OK in their next three games. Lose one of those games and they are out. Win those games and it is possible to add 2-6, 3-5, and 1-6 to their conference opponents win percentage calculation. I am not going to go through speculative match on how they would end up compared to other teams, but I don't think having three of the bottom 5 teams included in your "Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents" would lead to getting into the championship game. They might have the best win percentage at the moment. I suspect that is what the LSU guy is basing it off of --What would happen right now if the SEC got to that tiebreaker item. However, the next three games for LSU are against trash teams. Lose one game and they are out. Win all three and it further reduces LSU in comparison with the other teams.Again this is what some LSU guy says….i’m not sure why he thinks the first 3 tie-breakers would not be used?
If all of the current 2 loss teams win out, that would put the final teams @ 2 conference losses:
BAMA
UGA
MISS
MIZZ
TENN
LSU
TEXAS/TEXAS A&M
……now, tie breakers. The first 3 tie breaker metrics would not be used, therefore using the 4th. That rule is: “ Cumulative Conference winning percentage of all Conference opponents among the tied teams”
Guess who would play in the SECCG?
Texas/Texas A&M winner vs. LSU