2024 non-GT games thread

[stinger78]

Don't you know that UGa would have given $$$$$$$ to have our "back-up" QB....
QB'ing is 75% of college football...
(and, in other news, UGa left OT had a BAD game...and #86 dropped more passes today than Eric did all year.....which is a bunch!...and,apparently, other teams have DBs who simply do not tackle...."run up and bump" will not bring down a Pavia or a Leonard or anyone ever......)

ND’s corners also weren’t giving up an 8 yard pad. They were consistently 3-5 yards presnap. This is a pretty big issue IYAM.

 

[MWBATL]

ND’s corners also weren’t giving up an 8 yard pad. They were consistently 3-5 yards presnap. This is a pretty big issue IYAM.

ND defense wa sismply great all aorund. Their D line got pressure rushing only 4 which allowed their DBs to play much tighter. Plus officials were allowing a LOT of physical contact in the secondary….I have seen GT defenders called for PI many times with that level of contact. But yeah, they have excellent players up and down their defense…..

 

[stinger78]

ND defense wa sismply great all aorund. Their D line got pressure rushing only 4 which allowed their DBs to play much tighter. Plus officials were allowing a LOT of physical contact in the secondary….I have seen GT defenders called for PI many times with that level of contact. But yeah, they have excellent players up and down their defense…..

ND’s Dline was far more athletic than UGA’s Oline. More than our’s too, BTW. Stockton was running for his life all night.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

ND defense wa sismply great all aorund. Their D line got pressure rushing only 4 which allowed their DBs to play much tighter. Plus officials were allowing a LOT of physical contact in the secondary….I have seen GT defenders called for PI many times with that level of contact. But yeah, they have excellent players up and down their defense…..

Yep, Notre Dame led the nation in getting pressure on QBs. Stockton played well but he couldn’t sustain his rhythm anytime during the game. DBs could cheat up on slow developing pass plays.

 

[stinger78]

Yep, Notre Dame led the nation in getting pressure on QBs. Stockton played well but he couldn’t sustain his rhythm anytime during the game. DBs could cheat up on slow developing pass plays.

I think they were playing man coverage most of the night. Maybe some cover 1. If you can do that on the back end and force an O to keep a RB in the backfield for max protect, you can pretty much control what an O does.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I think they were playing man coverage most of the night. Maybe some cover 1. If you can do that on the back end and force an O to keep a RB in the backfield for max protect, you can pretty much control what an O does.

We’ve played that same defense on many occasions but it seems to wear down our defense through the course of the game. We have to constantly scheme to get any pressure on the QB and after awhile we’re just out of options for that. I think that’s why we switch to prevent as some call it. I don’t call it that since to me it is just trying to put more people in coverage and not give up the big play. When this works you can sometimes get coverage sacks like we did on occasion with Miami. Notre Dame is just a strong defense, never got gassed and never had to start compensating for defenders being overmatched.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

I think they were playing man coverage most of the night. Maybe some cover 1. If you can do that on the back end and force an O to keep a RB in the backfield for max protect, you can pretty much control what an O does.

Until you forget about that running back as a receiver. Nobody covered that dude on the wheel route when they scored the TD.

 

[Root4GT]

ND’s corners also weren’t giving up an 8 yard pad. They were consistently 3-5 yards presnap. This is a pretty big issue IYAM.

NDs corners are better players than GTs corners and ND gets way more pressure on the opposing QB with generally a 4 man rush making it much easier to play press coverage for their DBs. Covering a WR for 2-3 seconds is order of magnitude easier than letting the QB have 5+ seconds with no pressure in his face.

The answer is better players, especially Rush ends.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Well, that settles it for me. The current college football playoff format is by far the best we’ve ever seen. I think at the very least we should let it play out over the next five years before we even think about changing it. Why am I so confident that this is the best format for the playoff? Easy, Greg Sankey hates it. He thinks it’s unfair to the SEC. He wants to see immediate changes to it next year.

That’s good enough for me.

 

[Golden Tornadoes]

When targeting first came out, they would call unnecessary roughness, to be reviewed for targeting. To me, that's the right call. If it's enough to be reviewed for targeting, it should at least be unnecessary roughness.

IMO, you can do a few things:

1. Get rid of conference affiliation for referees and have them all fall under the umbrella of the NCAA. Grade your officials and the best ones get the best games just like the NBA and MLB do. Also, have the referees available for questions after games. I do not understand why the players and coaches have to have media availability, but referees get to run and hide after the game. Stand up in front of the people and defend your decisions with rulebook-backed reasoning.

2. Get rid of the ambiguities in the rule and have all D1 referees complete training on the updated targeting rule. Have the head officials of the P5 and G5 conferences meet up to re-write the rule which provides clear guidance on how to enforce.

3. Make targeting fall back under the unnecessary roughness umbrella and allow the referees to raise the foul if review deems it to be a confirmed targeting. If you cannot confirm all elements of targeting, it remains an unnecessary roughness penalty, and the 15 yards is still enforced. The guilty player still gets to remain in the game as the penalty was not raised to the level of targeting. How I see it being enforced would be like this: if you strike the head or neck area of a DEFENSELESS PLAYER, you are guilty of targeting. The defenseless player subpoint should be the easiest level of targeting to confirm. If the player is NOT deemed to be defenseless, you must forcibly contact the head or neck of a player with the crown of the helmet OR forcibly launch into the player leading with your helmet.

4. Abolish the targeting rule all together (not going to happen).

 

[Golden Tornadoes]

Well, that settles it for me. The current college football playoff format is by far the best we’ve ever seen. I think at the very least we should let it play out over the next five years before we even think about changing it. Why am I so confident that this is the best format for the playoff? Easy, Greg Sankey hates it. He thinks it’s unfair to the SEC. He wants to see immediate changes to it next year.

That’s good enough for me.

If Sankey hates it, then the NCAA is finally doing something right.

 

[7979]

NDs corners are better players than GTs corners and ND gets way more pressure on the opposing QB with generally a 4 man rush making it much easier to play press coverage for their DBs. Covering a WR for 2-3 seconds is order of magnitude easier than letting the QB have 5+ seconds with no pressure in his face.

The answer is better players, especially Rush ends.

...and better DBs....that can cover...or tackle...at this point, I'd take either one as we currently do neither

 

[Root4GT]

...and better DBs....that can cover...or tackle...at this point, I'd take either one as we currently do neither

Our DBs are pretty typical college DBs. Not many will be playing in the NFL but they are solid P4 DBs. The biggest issue was GT's lack of pass rush. We were near the bottom of FBS football in sacks and QB pressures. That has to improve for the DBs to have a chance to play press man coverage successfully on a consistent basis. Or we get a bunch of NFL caliber DBs. (not likely)

 

[stinger78]

If Sankey hates it, then the NCAA is finally doing something right.

Sankey’s teams got abused, and UTA should be sitting at home, too. The three clear best teams, IMHO, are OSU, ND, and PSU in that order.

 

[Root4GT]

Sankey’s teams got abused, and UTA should be sitting at home, too. The three clear best teams, IMHO, are OSU, ND, and PSU in that order.

Reasonable so far. A few games to go yet though.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Reasonable so far. A few games to go yet though.

That looks like the right order to me too. I can’t figure Texas out. They get so much hype from the announcers, touting all their pro prospects, their great QB and such, but they’ve looked very incomplete as a team, often bumbling their way through games. Unless Ohio State comes down with the flu (it’s going around and I caught it) this game could get ugly fast.

Notre Dame and Penn State should be close.

 

[yeti92]

Our DBs are pretty typical college DBs. Not many will be playing in the NFL but they are solid P4 DBs. The biggest issue was GT's lack of pass rush. We were near the bottom of FBS football in sacks and QB pressures. That has to improve for the DBs to have a chance to play press man coverage successfully on a consistent basis. Or we get a bunch of NFL caliber DBs. (not likely)

We were also at the bottom of FBS for interceptions, and frankly were lucky if they even knew where the ball was on most plays. Our DB play was terrible almost all season. Even if we had ND or Texas d line, they wouldn't have gotten to Kyle McCord the way the secondary played against Cuse, he had open receivers and was throwing in 1-3 seconds. Taye Semore got absolutely worked in the bowl game trying to cover 1 on 1, and he's not the only one who's had that problem this year.

DL and DBs are complementary groups, and neither was very good.

 

[g0lftime]

We were also at the bottom of FBS for interceptions, and frankly were lucky if they even knew where the ball was on most plays. Our DB play was terrible almost all season. Even if we had ND or Texas d line, they wouldn't have gotten to Kyle McCord the way the secondary played against Cuse, he had open receivers and was throwing in 1-3 seconds. Taye Semore got absolutely worked in the bowl game trying to cover 1 on 1, and he's not the only one who's had that problem this year.

DL and DBs are complementary groups, and neither was very good.

Never played press coverage to hinder those quick passes. Maybe the coaches knew we couldn't do it.

 

[stinger78]

Never played press coverage to hinder those quick passes. Maybe the coaches knew we couldn't do it.

My thinking, too.

 

[jgtengineer]

Never played press coverage to hinder those quick passes. Maybe the coaches knew we couldn't do it.

We defintiely couldn't do it after we lost half our secondary.