2023 ACC News & Discussion

[awbuzz]

So funny I spit my coffee.

Hopefully not through your nose!

 

[leatherneckjacket]

I'm glad they want to volunteer to reduce their payout

What drunk idiot thinks VPISU has that large of a fanbase or viewership?

 

[Techster]

1) Oregon, Washington, UVA, UNC, FSU and maybe GT to the B1G, The Big 10 has almost every time zone and a presence in every major state except Texas. They have major brands of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, UCLA, FSU, UNC, Oregon, etc...

FWIW, I wrote this earlier in the thread, the FSU writer has shared that GT has an invite to the B1G waiting. Will that change in 13 years when the ACC's GOR ends? That's certainly a possibility. It also dovetails into the B1G's "professional sports expansion" model: Capture schools in all the major sports markets. It also makes sense because B1G pushed for GT to join in 2012 before they made a move with Rutgers. Right now Atlanta is the biggest sports market in the South...but with shifting tides of the population, it's a possibility one of the Florida markets could overtake Atlanta in time. Combined, Florida is the bigger market given all of their big metro areas.

FSU has been rumored to have an invite with the B1G for a while now. FSU making noise, IMO, is them seeing the $75 million/YEAR coming soon, and knowing the ACC won't come close to that.

 

[Jerry the Jacket]

My thinking on the current state of college football is as follows:

The game is quickly moving to a model where there will be a handful (20 to 30) of successful programs and the rest will be reduced to just scrambling for leftovers which will be very meager. The huge discrepancy in these media contracts among the various conferences means teams in the Big 10 will be receiving 2 times the money that teams in other conferences like the ACC are receiving. That alone will create a vast competitive advantage for teams who already possess natural advantages due to their history, tradition, and existing level of financial support. When you add to that the lack of control or regulation over the NIL process, you can see where teams with the most resources will even further their advantage over teams with limited resources. In reality, this game has been played for many decades with the factory schools paying players to attend their schools, now the old under-the-table schemes are being legitimized by this NIL gimmick. The rich are just going to get richer.

The bottom line is that any hopes for creating an environment where teams compete on a somewhat equal basis are being totally eliminated. The college football we once knew is quickly eroding into a professional enterprise. We already have professional sports so I was hoping to see the college game move more toward a model that would promote true competition among all participants.

To achieve its true potential and make the game more enjoyable for all, the various participants would need to evolve to more of a socialist model where the vast financial potential of the sport would be equally shared among all participants and the NIL program would be capped and equalized among the schools. Now, I am the biggest capitalist on the planet, but, capitalism is not a good model for collegiate athletics. These television and media rights holders are being short-sighted in fostering these vast differences in payouts to the different conferences and teams. They are limiting rather than expanding the future potential of the overall popularity and earning potential of the product. In essence, they have a good thing but they could have a great thing and grow it to everyone's advantage if they could adopt a model that would allow full participation by all involved parties.

I am hopeful that at some point, someone, or a group of someones, will have the courage to take some action to make the game about more than who has the most money wins.

Go Jackets!

 

[FlatsLander]

What drunk idiot thinks VPISU has that large of a fanbase or viewership?

From what I gather, it's the biggest local sports team for Virginia. No pro football, basketball, or baseball I can think of. Plus they gained a ton of sidewalk fans during the Vick era.

 

[leatherneckjacket]

From what I gather, it's the biggest local sports team for Virginia. No pro football, basketball, or baseball I can think of. Plus they gained a ton of sidewalk fans during the Vick era.

They are in the mountains of SW Virginia. It is a rural school in a state where most people cheer for another state school. Hardly no one near DC (or anywhere else) cheers for them. The suggestion that they have more fans than UNC is laughable.

 

[AppJacket]

They are in the mountains of SW Virginia. It is a rural school in a state where most people cheer for another state school. Hardly no one near DC (or anywhere else) cheers for them. The suggestion that they have more fans than UNC is laughable.

I finished a Ms at VPI 5 years ago and at the time it was definitely the dominate fanbase in the state. The undergraduate student body seems to be largely northern Virginia and metro DC in origin and the coast is still oriented towards them with the Vick connection. UVA being more stable in football recently and the smaller state schools getting more exposure might have had a small impact on that, but It’s definitely not a fanbase that’s limited to the Blacksburg area.

 

[WraleighWreck]

I can believe the numbers based on undergrad enrollment alone. Va tech has 30k undergrad, uva has 12k. Although va tech is a lot like GT in that they are known for engineering, they do also have a lot of other majors that give the school broader appeal. Plus uva grads consider themselves to be much higher class than the Turkey gobblers, so that naturally would push the sidewalk fan toward Va tech. I live in Raleigh and there are tons more va tech fans here than uva fans, probably only outnumbered by nc state fans.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

They are in the mountains of SW Virginia. It is a rural school in a state where most people cheer for another state school. Hardly no one near DC (or anywhere else) cheers for them. The suggestion that they have more fans than UNC is laughable.

UNC, Duke, and Kansas have large basketball fanbases but their football fanbases are much smaller. VT has a fairly large football fanbase, and unlike UNCs football fanbase, they are a loud bunch that travels well. They might be smaller overall than UNCs total fanbase but football wise VT draws more TV eyeballs than UNC does.

 

[Techster]

UNC, Duke, and Kansas have large basketball fanbases but their football fanbases are much smaller. VT has a fairly large football fanbase, and unlike UNCs football fanbase, they are a loud bunch that travels well. They might be smaller overall than UNCs total fanbase but football wise VT draws more TV eyeballs than UNC does.

Football is the key driver in media $$$, and conference expansion.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Football is the key driver in media $$$, and conference expansion.

Exactly.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Interesting tidbit. I read yesterday that the ACC has more private schools than the rest of the P5 combined.

 

[BurdellJacket]

Interesting tidbit. I read yesterday that the ACC has more private schools than the rest of the P5 combined.

Very interesting and I could research myself, but since you know this, could you please name the private schools for us? Thanks.

 

[bobongo]

Very interesting and I could research myself, but since you know this, could you please name the private schools for us? Thanks.

Duke, Wake, Syracuse, B.C., Notre Dame, Miami

 

[BurdellJacket]

Duke, Wake, Syracuse, B.C., Notre Dame, Miami

Thanks, @bobongo. Didn't think of Syracuse, and how could I forget the GoldenDomers?

 

[cpf2001]

So otherwise we’ve got, what?

Standord
Vanderbilt
TCU
Baylor
Northwestern
USC

And looks like BYU is joining the Big 12. So that’s 7. But still, yeah, pretty lopsided.

 

[jgtengineer]

What drunk idiot thinks VPISU has that large of a fanbase or viewership?

How packed their stadiums are on TV whenever they play does alot to aid in that perception.

 

[Buzzbomb]

 

[Techster]

Want to know the difference between the ACC and the B1G? B1G understands the big business nature of college sports, and hires accordingly. ACC is stuck in the past and thinks within the realm of a college centric view of the sports world. Meanwhile, B1G looks like it's continuing the "professional" model of running the league with this hire:






IMO, this is a good sign for GT down the road. B1G covets the South and its growing markets. The crown jewel of the South media market, and home of its biggest League rival the SEC? Atlanta.

 

[TooTall]

IMO, this is a good sign for GT down the road. B1G covets the South and its growing markets. The crown jewel of the South media market, and home of its biggest League rival the SEC? Atlanta.