1. Welcome to Georgia Tech Swarm! JOIN US and be a part of the SWARM! GO JACKETS! THWg!

2015 Warmest Year on Record

Discussion in 'The Swarm Lounge' started by cyptomcat, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    There is a lot of fake crap on the left. But again, lets say I totally agree that humans are causing some part of what's going on in the climate. Why would that force me to have to vote for the same people as you and demand the exact same policy proposals?
     
  2. Lotta Juice

    Lotta Juice Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    778
    What about her? In general I'd point you to my previous post:

     
  3. Lotta Juice

    Lotta Juice Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    778
    Fair enough. hakunamatata

    I pointed out that she was not renewed for her position mostly because the link posted said "fired" and those terms have different implications though you could chalk it up to semantics. But I think the Washington Times chose "fired" (or "dumped") for exactly the reason it would seem. And I pointed out her payment from a conservative/climate skeptical think tank because that could be a legit conflict of interest. I don't know. I've done about 10 minutes of research and am left with more questions than answers. Does she have an obligation to disclose those payments? What was her relationship with her superiors? What is her role as an adjunct professor? Is it to represent the university on panels hosted by the same think tank? Does/should the university have a say in who she speaks for/to? I don't know the answer to a lot of these questions. But I'm guessing a lot of the people posting/sharing the link as a grievance don't know all of those details either. Just see headline of "climate skeptic dumped by liberal university" and roll with the grievance narrative.

    And, also do you feel she's entitled to employment there? Should her contract/application be renewed automatically? Do you support here unionizing to protect her job? ;)
     
  4. Lotta Juice

    Lotta Juice Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    778
    Who's forcing you?
     
  5. GT_EE78

    GT_EE78 Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    3,430
    There ARE in fact people who have a brain and realize that the radical global warming cult will say anything to get taxpayer dollars into carbon infrastructure to promote a more socialist world.......The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. Nothing wrong with studying it but there is no evidence that humans are changing it. Protecting our air,water and environment is a good thing but there are those who will conflate the issues.
    upload_2019-10-21_16-41-30.png
     
  6. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    Everyone on the left. If you don't agree with their policy positions and making all the changes they advocate, then you're a Climate Change Denier and need to be bullied off the planet.
     
  7. Lotta Juice

    Lotta Juice Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    778
    That seems a bit hyperbolic to me. That's like me saying "Everyone on the right. If you don't agree with their policy positions then you're a Communist who hates America". Which is true for some, like your statement on the left.
     
  8. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    Ask yourself a question - have you ever heard of a person that disagrees on the right NOT being treated like that with regards to Climate Change? The scientific consensus is there, the debate is over, leave if you don't want to get in line.

    So I guess what I'm hearing is that you disagree with those sorts of statements, regardless of which side they come from. Well if that's true, then progress. Just please remember that in real life if you're ever in those conversations. People who vote differently than you and want different policy proposals with regards to climate change are not evil, they're not climate deniers, they're not idiots.
     
  9. Lotta Juice

    Lotta Juice Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    778
    I've seen people on the right be given a fair shake and I've seen people on the right be shouted down. I've seen people on the right make cogent arguments and I've seen people on the right just shout whatever catch phrase they got from Trump/Fox News. Not everyone on the left is AOC and not everyone on the right is Limbaugh
     
  10. Animal02

    Animal02 Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    7,124
    Sorry, but there is no proof that humans are altering the climate to any meaningful extent. The climate change cabal displays all the traits of a pseudo science.
    Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims
    Over-reliance on confirmation rather than refutation
    Lack of openness to testing by other experts
    Absence of progress
    Personalization of issues
    Use of misleading language



     
  11. Supersizethatorder-mutt

    Supersizethatorder-mutt Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    14,348
    I guess you don't remember the climate change movement in the 70s, when the world was about to enter a new ice age, but, other than that, all the predictions (the end of the world as we know it) and "solutions" were EXACTLY THE SAME. I guess some people never learn.
     
  12. Supersizethatorder-mutt

    Supersizethatorder-mutt Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    14,348
    What about her?, you ask. Well, she was pummeled by the left and the climate change freaks for not buying into (and actually rejecting) their claims and "solutions". Rather than put up with all that crap, she retired.
     
  13. Supersizethatorder-mutt

    Supersizethatorder-mutt Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    14,348
    Even if humans ARE altering the climate to any meaningful extent, if it's as bad as they claim it is, there is no way it can be "fixed" before the impending doomsday they are threatening us with, especially in light of the fact that China poses the biggest environmental threat to the world, and we're certainly not going to be able to force them to change.
     
    southernhive likes this.
  14. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    Well, I mean calling someone a Communist (since you brought that one up) is accurate if they support Communist ideas like guranteed jobs for everyone, a guaranteed minimum income, confiscatory tax rates, and many things the left want. There are definitely a lot of schreechers on the right like Hannity and what-not. But there are also a lot of people who disregard the definitions of the very things they support.
     
  15. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    Well even the most virulent climate change supporters don’t even follow the rules they want to set for everyone else. So you have to wonder if they truly even believe what they’re selling.
     
  16. Supersizethatorder-mutt

    Supersizethatorder-mutt Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    14,348
    It was big news over the weekend that Jane Fonda has been getting willingly arrested for climate change demonstrations. I'd be willing to bet that she was privy to the burning of a helluva lot of fossil fuel just to get to those demonstrations. If she really believe what she claims, then she would have walked across the country to get there.
     
    southernhive likes this.
  17. forensicbuzz

    forensicbuzz Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    3,227
    I would agree with you on most issues, but not this one. Those that call into question the data and the research backing man-made Global Warming/Climate Change have been black-balled, publicly crucified, harassed, fired, stripped of their funding, etc. There has been an odd systematic attack on anyone who questions or refutes the ever-changing data and the non-conforming models.

    Personally, I don't know enough to have an opinion one way or another. I believe we have a moral obligation to be good stewards of Earth, but I'm not convinced the data clearly backs the alarmism we've seen.
     
  18. Whiskey_Clear

    Whiskey_Clear Banned

    Messages:
    13,638
    yeah but he’s in favor of silencing the opposition so.....
     
  19. bwelbo

    bwelbo Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    16,445
    southernhive likes this.
  20. Animal02

    Animal02 Helluva Engineer

    Messages:
    7,124
    Read an article today (that I can now not find) linking the Boeing 800 max crashes with trying to be green. Seems Boeing was losing the carbon emissions BS to Airbus....... slapped bigger engines on the 737 frame which changed balance etc leading to the software to "fix" the problem which led to crashes....hence the climate change hysteria is now killing people.

    In the mean time, sell any Boeing stock you might have.
    https://onemileatatime.com/boeing-737-max-text-messages/
     

Share This Page