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Who is it that likely makes it possible for that someone to not leave home? What is more likely to happen to that someone when they do have to go out for obvious reasons? It's no simple. What IS simple is that testing is required to prevent needless deaths.

Surely you know how empty this statement is.

Because of the contagious factor being so high on a relative basis= many more deaths vs flu. OFs also want haircuts! :>)

I might have missed it when a LOT of people preferred to shut down forever or until the virus is gone. Got a few links? Also, the odds are far from zero that nobody under 60 will die from premature reopening. C'mon. I also know that you know this, so........?

Boaty, pls re-read RambligRed's and potatohead's posts on previous page. Thanks, Z

Isn't Sweden regretting it about now? Maybe not Dutch, but how are the Dutch as far as testing is concerned ?

Thanks for reply, but chem, going back to work and trying to catch the virus without accurate and widespread testing in place, seems to be a recipe for disaster for a small percentage of young people and a large number of elderly people who depend on the support of the young.

Good job of summarizing chem, it's appreciated. What is it that you see as different about our current phased return to work plan, versus the approach you outlined? Seems it's all based on testing, otherwise it's risky beyond reason. Considerably expanded testing may tell us whether we have to...

Wonder how quickly Obama's advisors could actually tell how benign H1N1 was at the time vs our advisors on our situation today with Covid. Fauci's comments in late January makes one wonder. In other words, in each scenario, who knew what and when did they know it. Didn't experts along with...

I guess for me, the devil is in the details. The nursing homes and cruise ships have shown themselves to be petri dishes. The ones at home, which is surely a greater number, are dependent on the people we would release from bondage. If the younger healthy people get a spike because we jumped the...

If there were agendas on the part of people like Fauci, I tend to think it was more like incomplete or false data they were basing their no big deal for the US on. Your last 2 paragraphs above speak volumes.

How have the nursing homes and assisted living complexes been so far for the oldies ? Even if Covid ends up having the same death rate as the flu, it's far greater contagious rate is gonna kill a LOT more people, especially without mitigation efforts. I vote for the phased/staged approach based...

Trump inflates a lot of things, but you tell me, if we didn't mitigate this far differently than we did in '09, what would the World look like now as we speak ? Obama was late in declaring a National Emergency compared to Trump (and that virus started here and/or Mexico!). A health emergency...

H1N1= 12,400 deaths. How many so far in NYC alone? I think Stanford and others are focused on "rates". In '09 we did not close borders, shut down schools, shut down businesses, etal, and we have with Covid and it's killing many more people.

I don't much see this as political. Could we have handled it better once it was apparent there actually was a problem ? Absolutely. It's tough being a political leader right now as is evidenced by Dr. Fauci, who I have tremendous respect for, saying in effect in January---No problem for the US...

Yeah, there are better ways in retrospect. Little testing/tracking = no better way right now.

Isn't Sweden taking almost the exact same approach the US did in '09 with H1N1 ? It seems clear at this point (subject to change of course), that Covid is far more contagious and more deadly than H1N1. Considering how 60+ Million in the US alone were infected and 12,400+ died, it would appear...

ISyE '73 - Co-Op + MBA at a snob blue blood school (Tech was much much more difficult) 35+ years in the Plastics Industry Been through worst of times as a YJ in the late 70s/early 80s and best of times with CBR. Lived in Cloudman as a Fr next to Smylie Gebhart and Gary Carden. Super friendly and...

We might get at least a general feel for this by looking at H1N1. It wasn't as contagious or deadly (meaning we simply got lucky), but we did next to nothing, and the final US infection rate was 60+ Million.

Hardly making a difference !? Are you actually listening to people that know what they are doing ?