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Gardner was 08.

You can throw Clyde Yandell in there too. Let's not forget that when injuries in the ACCCG happened to Smith, then Claytor, Clyde Yandell stepped up big time to perform at a high level.

Effort is judged snap to whistle. A lack of effort is something along these lines: Pursuit on defense- even if you're far from the play, are you giving your all on your pursuit angle Not finishing a block or letting the guy run free without doing anything before the play is over Not finishing...

Would you agree that players' are responsible for their own behavior? The coaches are ultimately responsible for the players' behavior, I won't argue that. However, the players' are responsible for how they act in between the stripes during the game. Only corrective action can be taken. You...

Formation is just that. It’s how you line up. You can run the option out of the I. You can do it out of shotgun. You can even do it out of 5 wide.

Listen with sound.

I don’t believe that I said that we didn’t have a significant talent advantage. I do believe that I’ve said that lack of talent can explain why the guys are unable to adapt to a different style of football to the point where they can’t beat Citadel.

Do you think it's fair to dismiss Herby's points on transitioning the offense and team because he doesn't have any supposed option experience (newsflash, he does). If you do, then you should have no problem with everyone else dismissing your points due to lack of experience. I'll fairly...

You literally couldn't be more wrong.

Well, he was an option QB afterall... How much experience do you have evaluating football talent?

I edited my post to be more clear

Actually a hypothetical isn’t useless in this particular case. The poster claims that we may have had a higher ceiling this year based upon a 7 win season and the players returning. I think it’s quite cogent to point out we were close to only having 4 wins when his argument is based upon not...

I brought up a very relevant hypothetical (singular) that was germane to that poster’s premise. You on the other hand, not even sure why you felt the need to comment other than to defend a 3 win season. There’s no defending a three year season in the middle of a coaching tenure.

Yep, that sounds about right.

It was relative to that particular posters post.

We are talking about one particular hypothetical. Not any other season. We can discuss other seasons if you want, I was responding to an OP. Is there a particular reason we MUST talk about something almost completely off/topic?

Then what are you watching to think that missing tons of assignments is on the coaching staff?

Did you rewatch the game, yes or no? How many times?

How many times have you watched it? I just don’t see how anyone who rewatched the game can pin this solely on the coaching staff without also giving a healthy dose of criticism to the players.

I don’t disagree with that. But we aren’t talking 2015, not even sure how it’s relevant.