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"Winning out, you say?" The moon falling out of the sky would be of similar interest and more likely to actually occur.

I was looking at some of the stats from the game and they are revealing and also explain in small part why I am in the "nothing CGC can do category" We led in virtually every significant category over Northern Illinois We had 25 first downs to their 15. We led in both rushing yardage and passing...

It is hard to "quantify" as you put it. What Geoff does not seem to realize is that he is very close to making this program a nonentity along the lines of Vanderbilt, Rice, Tulane, and others that are either scoffed at or simply ignored. It is that precarious.

There was a time not so long ago, I would have just marked winning (X) number of games. I have seen enough to dispel any notion of him turning this mess around.

I have moved on from Sunday school teaching to being a church officer but talking college football after the service is de rigueur.

Who Geoff reminds me of more even than Pepper was Ron Zook the coach at Florida that replaced "Steve Superior". He was brash, full of hype just like Collins but had more talent and was a better recruiter. His turning point game was losing to Mississippi State in Starkville with the cow bells...

Ditto. I live in Dougherty and my very small Presbyterian church has produced not one, not two, but three cum laude graduates of Georgia Tech who had the added benefit of having me as their Sunday school teacher...ahem. I have two friends that I play tennis with who are Tech graduates and...

"We are as much to blame as the coaches are." Nope. They bought it, and now they have broken it. This is all on the players and the coaches.

Begs the question, what did he know that Collins and by extension the rest of us did not know?

Good Lord man. There is not a single player on that team that would make the two deep on Tech's team...on the other hand there were not that many on Northern Illinois team either. We will see.

Nothing as his hands are tied by contractual obligations and financial restraints. He is the one who listened to the proverbial "smartest guys in the room" that deliberately shut down any chance Coach Johnson may have had so now let them stew in their own juices.

Well, the glory days, such as they were for Northern Illinois were about a decade ago with a string of impressive 12-2 and 11-3 finishes. Last year, this program did not win a game and has not won a game since November 2018 until the ever helpful and gracious Coach Collins provided a reprieve...

We are uncomfortably close to entering that football netherworld inhabited by Vanderbilt, Rice, Tulane, and others that condemn programs to what seems an eternity of wandering about being slaughtered by powerhouses and enduring polite turning away of heads when losing to G-5 or worse programs...

The thing about Butch was that he was not able to build upon that miracle win against UGA in the final seconds and a lot of his gimmickry became the butt of jokes from wisenheimers on the internet and talk shows. Tennessee, like Nebraska, has entered into an era of wandering in the wilderness...

Good point. A real embarrassing turn of affairs for sure.

The only "404 takeover" that I could see tonight was by Northern Illinois. They made the plays they had to make and we didn't.

Christ in His church. Please Geoff, just shut up.

You are probably right it was just that on TV and in person, the Citadel game looked sloppy, and poorly disciplined. I did not get that impression tonight with the penalties nor was there a lot of yapping.

I am not an expert but those more knowledgeable can weigh in but it would seem to me that Jeff has a much better arm than Yates but Yates just has a knack for making quick decisions about where to go with the ball perhaps, the "touch and feel" for the game you are talking about.

This situation may have gone beyond a few tweaks but we will see. If Jeff is out for an extended period of time, the coaches will have a sure enough challenge ahead of them.