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Now that I think about it, you may be thinking of a couple of doubleheaders where GT played an afternoon game at Grant Field & UGag played one at night. Happened a couple of times when Grant Field was a larger stadium than Sanford&Son.
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Yes, he is thinking of a double header at Grant Field. Tech was playing Kentucky? and Georgia played Ole Miss. The SEC commissioner at the time tried to get Coach Dodd to speak with Johnny Vaught and arrange a game between Ole Miss and Tech. Coach Dodd said, in so many words. "No offense Johnny but I can make more money playing Girls High School at Grant Field than I can going to Mississippi. Boy howdy was Coach Vaught steaming mad about that. It must have been sometime in the 1950s.
 
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I think that it is your imagination run wild so to speak. 1966 they beat us in Athens with a ferocious defense that hounded Kim King. 1967 they beat us in Atlanta in a pretty good game. 1968, UGA had a terrific team and we had a very poor team riddled with injuries. They killed us 48-6 something like that. 1969, they were favored though not nearly as good as they were the previous year but Bud Carson had his defense ready to play. We upset them and shut them out 6-0 It was not as close as it looks because at no time were they really in position to score. I was at all of those games and the one constant with Bud Carson teams was that they would really hit you.
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Bud Carson was a heck of a defensive coach. Those D’s were always tough as nails. The sad thing is on O he has some really good talent, but could so so little with it. At RB he had Lenny Snow, Steve Harkey, Rob Healy, and Brent Cunningham, among others. At QB he had Kim King, Larry Good, Jack Williams, Charlie Dudish, and Eddie MacAshan. At WR he had John Sias, Jimmy Brown, Herman Lam, Mike Wysong, et al. At TE he had Joel Stevenson and Mike Oven. Those were all good to very good players with several getting NFL time.

As for STs, well, we had a punter who kicked out of Jacksonville, FL and a long snapper who could get it there. 😛
 
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Bud Carson was a heck of a defensive coach. Those D’s were always tough as nails. The sad thing is on O he has some really good talent, but could so so little with it. At RB he had Lenny Snow, Steve Harkey, Rob Healy, and Brent Cunningham, among others. At QB he had Kim King, Larry Good, Jack Williams, Charlie Dudish, and Eddie MacAshan. At WR he had John Sias, Jimmy Brown, Herman Lam, Mike Wysong, et al. At TE he had Joel Stevenson and Mike Oven. Those were all good to very good players with several getting NFL time.

As for STs, well, we had a punter who kicked out of Jacksonville, FL and a long snapper who could get it there. 😛
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As a child I practically cried over that 1966 uga game. We had a 99 yard drive, all on the ground, to go up 7-6 but they had a runner / punt returner named Kent Lawerence that was too fast for us. Dooley outcoached Dodd in that game and I think that was one of the reasons Dodd retired. The schedule the next year was an also a monster and, though Tech returned some skill players, we lost a lot of “beef” on both sides of the ball.

Kim King never looked like the same QB after that game. Both in the Orange Bowl and the East-West All Star game he looked below average.
 
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As a child I practically cried over that 1966 uga game. We had a 99 yard drive, all on the ground, to go up 7-6 but they had a runner / punt returner named Kent Lawerence that was too fast for us. Dooley outcoached Dodd in that game and I think that was one of the reasons Dodd retired. The schedule the next year was an also a monster and, though Tech returned some skill players, we lost a lot of “beef” on both sides of the ball.

Kim King never looked like the same QB after that game. Both in the Orange Bowl and the East-West All Star game he looked below average.
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I think Dodd retired because he saw the handwriting in the wall and didn’t want to have to endure it. He was struggling to get comparable talent in the post-desegregation world and the Braves and Falcons had begun to steal a lot of fans. What he didn’t see was the important role that conferences would play in the very near future. We lost almost 20 years of ever-increasing conference payouts due to that move.
 
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I think Dodd retired because he saw the handwriting in the wall and didn’t want to have to endure it. He was struggling to get comparable talent in the post-desegregation world and the Braves and Falcons had begun to steal a lot of fans. What he didn’t see was the important role that conferences would play in the very near future. We lost almost 20 years of ever-increasing conference payouts due to that move.
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I just remember Bud Carson came in to a much weaker team and much more difficult schedule which included Miami (fresh off a win against uga) plus Notre Dame, in addition to Tennessee, Auburn and uga. That was a killer lineup for a ten game schedule.
 
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I just remember Bud Carson came in to a much weaker team and much more difficult schedule which included Miami (fresh off a win against uga) plus Notre Dame, in addition to Tennessee, Auburn and uga. That was a killer lineup for a ten game schedule.
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People accused Dodd of leaving the cupboard bare. However, he left King, Snow, Sias, and Brown from that ‘66 team. The D was pretty stout. Maybe we were short OL? I was very young at that point.
 
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People accused Dodd of leaving the cupboard bare. However, he left King, Snow, Sias, and Brown from that ‘66 team. The D was pretty stout. Maybe we were short OL? I was very young at that point.
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Yes. Several skill players were back. But lost an All American center and several starters on line and defense.

Further problems came with injuries including a career ending one to snow.
 
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I know we lost Jim Breland. That was a big loss. Perhaps some others, too. As I said, I was very young and don’t recall their names.
 
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Wilcox played in the '68 47-8 loss on one leg, much like Larry Good.

Breland, one of Dodd's last Captains, was gone after '66.
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OK, I was young but here is my memory, false or not. Dooley came in at uga and instituted very physical, hard practice sessions, reportedly even involving drills where players took helmets to the midsection, as well as tackling to the ground, and very slow whistles. Dodd, by contrast, was known for mixing in very light practices and even volleyball.

When Carson, the ex marine, arrived on the scene, he did not like the way uga fans taunted Tech players for being soft, even making fun of our gold britches. He instituted what were some of the toughest practices in Tech history. But continually left Tech players banged up and a lot of injuries occurred through the course of a season.

The timing of his arrival with less depth and overall talent, harder practices taking their toll, and some of Tech’s most difficult scheduling, was a bad combination that built resentment among players and fans.
 
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Some of the posters on this site played for him and he was not, shall we say, beloved. His biggest flaw of all was following Dodd. Nobody was going to survive that.
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Also, Carson had only ever coached at UNC & USCe.... He thought we were as dumb as the PhysEd majors that played for the TarHoles & Cocks....

He never "got Tech." At our 25th Sun Bowl Reunion in 1995, I heard him say to Chris Carpenter, our OL Coach way back when, "I just don't understand what was so hard about "Hotel Management'".

And then there were the 9PM practices during Finals Week leading up to that Sun Bowl...... 3-6 Labs were a cardinal sin.... you get the idea.
 
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Also, Carson had only ever coached at UNC & USCe.... He thought we were as dumb as the PhysEd majors that played for the TarHoles & Cocks....

He never "got Tech." At our 25th Sun Bowl Reunion in 1995, I heard him say to Chris Carpenter, our OL Coach way back when, "I just don't understand what was so hard about "Hotel Management'".

And then there were the 9PM practices during Finals Week leading up to that Sun Bowl...... 3-6 Labs were a cardinal sin.... you get the idea.
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Not getting Tech is an egregious error. You HAVE to get Tech, dare I say, love the Tech culture, to coach here.

One of our best recent coaches loved unique cultures, both at Tech and at Navy. 😊
 
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