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They lost to Oklahoma in OT. No other team can make that claim.
When the TO3 died
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Outside if a few select programs.......you could make a similar list for every team.
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There is some serious cherry-picking here. I'm not sure you know what a 'fact' is vs an 'opinion'. I could make the same list of 'key losses' for any team other than the top 5-10 and it would look similar.
I'm not sure why the TO generated such hate from some fans. Granted, I'm a fan of it, but I can understand not liking it or seeing it as boring, but the vitriol...? Any offense looks terrible when it is outmatched or doesn't perform. Statistically, we were better on offense the last 10 years than ever.
In any case, the TO is in our past now, and we'll get to see how well Tech can succeed running the same scheme as everyone else. As a fan, I'm hopeful we can work some magic.
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When blocks are made, it was a thing of simplistic/complex beauty.
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I just cannot understand how anyone would find the TO boring. Maybe when it didn't work, but when it did work, it was a thing of beauty and exciting as hell.
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The Hurry Up / RPO / Shotgun / et. offenses are boring too when they aren't "performing" well too.
How many folks would be bitching about the TO, which is a PLAY in a spread option offense - not the entire offense, if we were winning 10 - 12 games a year regularly? Pretty limited number of folks would unless they were pissed that we still losing 1, 2, 3 or 4 games a year.
How many folks would be bitching about the TO, which is a PLAY in a spread option offense - not the entire offense, if we were winning 10 - 12 games a year regularly? Pretty limited number of folks would unless they were pissed that we still losing 1, 2, 3 or 4 games a year.
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All those teams they beat besides the acadamy schools and the fcs schools all had better talent than army. Don't mistake what Army did this year. It was incredible.
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Yay for Army. They outperformed based on their history. If they played our schedule this year, they would be 7-5 or 8-4. If we played theirs, we would be 11-2. People are acting like Army is Alabama and Monken is Saban.
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Whoop de doo, an almost win against a team that probably spent about 10 seconds worrying about that game. They also barely beat Miami OH and Navy who were terrible this year.
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With the caliber of football player the military academies are able to recruit, in this day and age, none of them should ever win a division 1 football game - EVER. Comparing schedules has nothing to do with it...
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UCF has grown...Clemson under our forner AD and Dabo have grown...Duke under Cut has even grown...
I am not talking about Bama and Ohio State and ND....No more excuses!! Very few 1-AA teams like MTSU upset FBS programs.... Probably should.make a list of coaches and programs who have lost to 1-AA and see if you like the company that CPJ shares.
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It's maddening watching a RB and QB line up 7 yds behind the LOS when it's 3rd/4th and short. I remember watching Richt's mutts lose to USC a few years ago. Down inside the 2, they lined up Todd Gurley back at the 8-9 yd line for the short-yardage run. Predictably he got stuffed and the stupid mutts lost since he had to run 8 yards to gain 1!!
It's equally maddening watching a QB squat over center on 3rd and long!
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I disagree. Having a group of intelligent, disciplined, team-first, me-2nd players can be an advantage, at least over almost every single FCS school. The military academy recruits aren't exactly bad athletes. Plus, they all really, really, really want to be at West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs.
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Oklahoma has no defense, so they could have prepared all summer for Army, and the results would have probably been the same. As much as I would prefer otherwise, Bama is going to kill the Sooners.
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An honest man!
Welcome aboard.
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In 2017/18, our 3O was tilted too heavily to QB keep. I think many of those outside keeps should have been pitches but that is arm chairing split second decisions. In traffic TM just cannot power through it like TO and to me the 3O looked better with a beefier QB if pitches are seldom. Or if our QB baits the DE to get him, then pitch. JT was great at this.
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I wonder if anything in our recent GT football history changes if TM pitches the ball to the A-back in OT against UT? Or were we destined for the 17-18 seasons as a result of our QB situation (i.e. no passing, lots of QB Keepers)?
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I don't think the TO died but i think teams that we played against every year got smarter about it.
Alot of players from other schools have talked about how they would spend time in spring and/or fall sessions preparing for it.
i think it helped alot against teams that did not play against it every year and didn't have alot of time to prepare for it.
Johnson was an incredible 15-3 against ACC Atlantic opponents other than Clemson (that includes the ACC Championship Game loss to FSU).
But Johnson's program was just 40-44 overall against teams he played every season, and even if you want to take out Clemson and UGA he was 32-29. Not exactly killing it.
Over the last 5 yrs his program was 5th in the ACC Coastal in division wins ahead of only UVA and Duke. If you go back 6 yrs to when Pitt joined he is tied for 3rd with both Pitt and UNC and behind Miami and VT. Just once after 2009 did his program go better than .500 against teams they played every season (2014) and 5 times during that stretch they finished under .500.
I think alot of people (including me) bought into the idea that Johnson's offense could be a pretty big equalizer. There may have been some truth to that over the first few years, but I don't think that claim holds up well over the course of his whole tenure.
I cheered for his program to win games when he was here, but i think it was likely a time for a change. Program familiarity, rule changes, becoming less dynamic with playcalling, sagging attendance all lead to the idea that we likely needed to make a change. I appreciate Coach Johnson alot for having the change occur in a manner that gives us the best chance for success down the road.
Alot of players from other schools have talked about how they would spend time in spring and/or fall sessions preparing for it.
i think it helped alot against teams that did not play against it every year and didn't have alot of time to prepare for it.
Johnson was an incredible 15-3 against ACC Atlantic opponents other than Clemson (that includes the ACC Championship Game loss to FSU).
But Johnson's program was just 40-44 overall against teams he played every season, and even if you want to take out Clemson and UGA he was 32-29. Not exactly killing it.
Over the last 5 yrs his program was 5th in the ACC Coastal in division wins ahead of only UVA and Duke. If you go back 6 yrs to when Pitt joined he is tied for 3rd with both Pitt and UNC and behind Miami and VT. Just once after 2009 did his program go better than .500 against teams they played every season (2014) and 5 times during that stretch they finished under .500.
I think alot of people (including me) bought into the idea that Johnson's offense could be a pretty big equalizer. There may have been some truth to that over the first few years, but I don't think that claim holds up well over the course of his whole tenure.
I cheered for his program to win games when he was here, but i think it was likely a time for a change. Program familiarity, rule changes, becoming less dynamic with playcalling, sagging attendance all lead to the idea that we likely needed to make a change. I appreciate Coach Johnson alot for having the change occur in a manner that gives us the best chance for success down the road.
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