What's he doing??

[lv20gt]

Great graph. Yes, it shows it that CPJ reached a peak with the team in the 2008 time period that we had not seen since the George O'Leary days, and yes, it shows that the past couple of years of CPJ were not as good as 2008/2009, in which he was really good for GT. But even at the bottom of his "moving average," he was better than any coach since the mid 1970s. Let that sink in.

That's impressive considering he had a lower win percentage than the two previous coaches.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Any CPJ haters consider the idea that this thread would only be two pages long if the CGC regime start wasn’t a catastrophe so far?

One more reason to pull for a turnaround tomorrow...

 

[gt02]

That's impressive considering he had a lower win percentage than the two previous coaches.

Take that issue up with the person that made the graph.

 

[AE 87]

Full disclosure, here...I love, love, love the triple option... it hides the deficiencies of under-sized, non-athletic offensive linemen (and of this, I assure you, I speak from personal experience).. it runs clock and shortens games by reducing possessions..... with a big-time option QB, FB who moves the pile and a couple of pitch guys who can fly, it is poetry.... but I understand that Paul had worn out his welcome..... and I completely support Geoff as he moves GT to whatever is next... but I don't get why so many of you folks spend so much energy hammering the guy who is gone...forever...never to return... you are safe from ever again seeing Jonathan Dwyer up the middle or Roddy Jones on the edge.. I'm all-in with choreographed dancing on the sidelines and coaches dressing up like Game of Thrones characters..Hoo-Ray 2019....I just don't understand why Tech men spend their time hating on the guy who's gone....SMH

Assuring us that you speak from personal experience when you call yourself 7979 suggests that you're an effort warrior, 79.

Fwiw, I agree with both your points: supporting CGC while shaking my head at those who can't stop bad-mouthing CPJ.

With that being said, I think it's perfectly okay trying to support CGC with what he's trying to do while being honest that our performance so far is less than everyone expected.

 

[7979]

Being a Tech fan is very hard ..... there are so damn few of us... just wish we'd quit hating on each other.... we are 1-3.....not good... Geoff is our coach..he really wants to be here.... he has a vision of what Tech can become... I'm in ..... (ok, not so much with the GoT ****... I hate that...just saying)

 

[99in99]

Why do you think Woody was in over his head? Because the defensive results weren't impressive in his first year? If you consistently used that logic, what inference would you draw about CGC based on his first year results?

Woody's defensive stats his first year at App St weren't impressive either. But, from his second year forward, he was top 20 every year. That's why many of us were extremely sad to see CPJ go and see this coaching staff disassembled. We finally had a chance to have top 20 O and D (even with our budget!), which has SO rarely happened at GT. We had the offensive players in the pipeline to be top 10 again. There were elements of a perfect storm brewing. SM(sad)H.

CGC's past results as a HC are 7-5 first year 8-4 second year (both of which are a digression from what that team had done under the previous head coach). Whereas another coach had taken a team who hadn't won more than 2 games in a season in 3 decades (that may be a slight exaggeration, I haven't looked it up) and took them to back-to-back 12-win seasons. I truly don't get it. I mean, if past success is the best indicator of future performance...

But ... I only get riled up enough to react like this when people want to say dumb stuff like "Woody was in over his head" (with complete logical hypocrisy regarding CGC), or "GT needed a change" (with zero objective facts to back up that assertion), and "Graham probably transfers due to lack of PT" after a redshirt freshman season ... Seems much more likely to me that Graham would've become another Justin Thomas, not to mention Yates.

Just let me pull for CGC and the team. Allow me to watch this thing like an entertaining movie with willful suspension of disbelief for a while. I could do that much more easily if people wouldn't get me to turn my brain back on with illogical criticism of CPJ with a sole motivation of not liking the previous regime for "style"-reasons.

re: CGC - ask me again at the end of the season. Trying to project his possibility of success thru a mere 4 games with us is dumb stuff.

I think Woody was in over his head because at the end of season 1 of Woody, we were still missing open-field tackles, taking awful lines towards ball carriers, and playing that stupid soft coverage yards off the LOS. This, at the end of the season. I saw no real improvement nor player development. We had 11 straight years of terrible D under PJ. It's a statistically anomalous to assume that suddenly would've changed in year 12. Dumb stuff.

I've not commented on CGC here so am not guilty of anything resembling "logical hypocrisy". What I said isn't "dumb stuff" either but based on an entire season of observation. Opining that JG might've transferred is just that - an opinion. It's no worse than the complete speculation that, had PJ stayed we would've been awesome or "likely would've won 9+ games" or other nonsensical predictions I've read. Given PJ's loyalty to QBs, it's more likely and realistic to assume that either TO or LJ would've won the starting job, with the other being backup...than it is to think PJ takes the plunge and goes with the guy 3rd on the depth chart. Literally, he never did that so assuming he'd suddenly change his coaching ways in year 12 is also dumb stuff.

There was no illogical criticism of PJ in my response so I guess that comment was directed elsewhere.

 

[Pointer]

.... Given PJ's loyalty to QBs, it's more likely and realistic to assume that either TO or LJ would've won the starting job, with the other being backup...than it is to think PJ takes the plunge and goes with the guy 3rd on the depth chart. Literally, he never did that so assuming he'd suddenly change his coaching ways in year 12 is also dumb stuff.

This post is full of a lot of things I disagree with, but the bolded part is particularly interesting.

First, Be happy that PJ would have picked a starter to begin with, cause we have not seen anything like that yet and it's part of the problem.

Second, PJ had proven to have picked the best QB at the starter position throughout his tenure. All of his QB's were very good at running the offense/became very good at running the offense. The Tevin Washington situation comes to mind. Washington was arguably the best decision making QB PJ had, consistently making the correct read. He was willing to bench him the following season to allow Vad playing time because he knew Vad had more potential. Taquan was the best option at the time bc Oliver was still too new. And this year he may have started Oliver, if he felt that Oliver was the best QB for the job. As far as the other two starting QB's he had, well we all know how they did...

But I thought it was funny seeing you being critical of Paul for picking a QB when the current coach can't decide if a QB can stay in a whole series.

 

[Kennethshannon20]

Could probably pull top 30-35 ish classes there. Would have been interesting. That ship sailed when he didnt get the Auburn job.

I loved CPJ but I think his time passed. I think he lost the joy for it and it showed. I think he could get a couple decent classes before the falloff showed again.

 

[4shotB]

Defense would likely have been just as bad or worse with Woody, who was in over his head.

Maybe Wells doesn't regress though.

I don't like the idea of judging ANY coach based on a sample size of 1 year (or less). Doesn't seem appropriate imo.

 

[99in99]

This post is full of a lot of things I disagree with, but the bolded part is particularly interesting.

First, Be happy that PJ would have picked a starter to begin with, cause we have not seen anything like that yet and it's part of the problem.

Second, PJ had proven to have picked the best QB at the starter position throughout his tenure. All of his QB's were very good at running the offense/became very good at running the offense. The Tevin Washington situation comes to mind. Washington was arguably the best decision making QB PJ had, consistently making the correct read. He was willing to bench him the following season to allow Vad playing time because he knew Vad had more potential. Taquan was the best option at the time bc Oliver was still too new. And this year he may have started Oliver, if he felt that Oliver was the best QB for the job. As far as the other two starting QB's he had, well we all know how they did...

But I thought it was funny seeing you being critical of Paul for picking a QB when the current coach can't decide if a QB can stay in a whole series.

How was I being critical? PJ was absolutely loyal to his QB - everyone in all GT forums I peruse thought TO should've been the starter at some point in 2018 yet PJ stuck with TQM the whole time (when injury wasn't an issue).

You: "And this year he may have started Oliver" - which is EXACTLY what I said too. Are you criticizing PJ too? Are you telling me that TQM was better than TO at the end of 2018? How come if you say it, it's not criticism but when I say it, it is? <-Hypocrisy.

God you guys get so triggered when PJ's name is mentioned in any capacity. Not once have I criticized the guy. But we do have an 11 year body of work to look at so when people opine about "What if PJ had stayed?", we can make some assumptions based on what we know. You actually agree with me on his QB Selection probability - we both think TO probably would've been the starter. We would NOT have lost to the Citadel. We would've lost to Clemson. etc etc

I agree with you on another thing - The QB Switch Scheme is asinine. Disclaimer: That statement isn't meant as any sort of indictment on any previous coaching staff, PJ or otherwise lol. So don't get triggered again!!

 

[99in99]

I don't like the idea of judging ANY coach based on a sample size of 1 year (or less). Doesn't seem appropriate imo.

How about after 4 games? That's what plenty of fans of the previous coach are doing.

 

[GTFLETCH]

Who caes what CPJ is doing.... Hopefully he is well, he has earned it!

 

[LibertyTurns]

I don't like the idea of judging ANY coach based on a sample size of 1 year (or less). Doesn't seem appropriate imo.

Taking the personalities out of it what is normally expected is some transitional changes & at a same-same offensive/defensive transition you expect upside particularly if the coach was underperforming. If you’re invoking something different, well some downside if the coach was doing ok & reasonable to assume the same if the coach was performing poorly.

Then you’ve got to manage the expectations. I’m guessing we expected a much bigger splash. I say that because we dissuaded some of those we had been recruiting. You only do that if you think you’re trading up. When you start getting rambunctious in your proclamations, well the expectations get raised. Expectations were not just raised, they were moon launched. The overhaul of historic proportions, laughable & if you thought the job too big or complex you should have passed. When I hire someone to fix a broken area, I don’t expect him to destroy my operation in order to save it.

To compound this, you have a new staff that lost control of the team before & during a game against an FCS team in which discipline was going to carry the day. If this had been nearly any other FCS team, the result likely would have been dissatisfying but not unsatisfactory. Unfortunately for the coach, this ended up not being the case & 3 weeks later those that follow college football are now associating GT not with “that high school offense” but with the team that lost to an FCS team, a team running the same offense our fanbase ridiculed/despised/call it what you want but they used it to beat us. It added an extra chuckle factor that is annoying. Then we scored a safety against an AAC team. Now it’s damn dude, WTH are you guys doing?

You can dismiss all this, say it isn’t so, delude ourselves into thinking others don’t think like that about GT, but they do. I live far enough away we’re not a regular source of discussion, but a peripheral one.

It’s not time to run the coach out of here, proclaim him to be defective, but he needs to establish the narrative again. It starts with week to week progress in fundamentals. The longer the perception there’s negative progress, the harder coach’s job becomes. Many on here seem like they never had a “new hire” Leader that got off to a bad start. It’s not easy to repair/recover, but many a man has done just that. Time will tell on coach. I trust you all that the extracurriculars are just what we need, but they’re an added distraction down in my neck of the woods and feed the negative narrative. Coach will either make his job harder or easier today. Let’s hope he makes it easier because I’m not sure he has the DNA and/or experience to recover from making it much worse.

Obviously this is all just my opinion.

 

[99in99]

They'd certainly be able to afford a decent defensive coordinator there, so that solves the biggest problem we had all along under CPJ.

they'd still have to practice against the TO though.

 

[Pointer]

How was I being critical? PJ was absolutely loyal to his QB - everyone in all GT forums I peruse thought TO should've been the starter at some point in 2018 yet PJ stuck with TQM the whole time (when injury wasn't an issue).

You: "And this year he may have started Oliver" - which is EXACTLY what I said too. Are you criticizing PJ too? Are you telling me that TQM was better than TO at the end of 2018? How come if you say it, it's not criticism but when I say it, it is? <-Hypocrisy.

God you guys get so triggered when PJ's name is mentioned in any capacity. Not once have I criticized the guy. But we do have an 11 year body of work to look at so when people opine about "What if PJ had stayed?", we can make some assumptions based on what we know. You actually agree with me on his QB Selection probability - we both think TO probably would've been the starter. We would NOT have lost to the Citadel. We would've lost to Clemson. etc etc

I agree with you on another thing - The QB Switch Scheme is asinine. Disclaimer: That statement isn't meant as any sort of indictment on any previous coaching staff, PJ or otherwise lol. So don't get triggered again!!

Listen buddy, I didn't say Oliver would start this year, I said Oliver may start. Meaning if he's the best QB, he starts. And then I pointed to the fact that he had a proven player in Washington, but was willing to play Vad as well because he saw more potential in Vad. Meaning if Graham, Lucas, or Yates was better than Oliver, they would play.

And at the end of the year, Taquan was better at running the whole offense still which is why he wasn't switched out since Oliver was so inexperienced in the scheme.

And as far as being triggered, I'm not the one coming into a thread about a previous coach making false accusations.

Thanks and Go Jackets!

 

[Pointer]

they'd still have to practice against the TO though.

As the current UNC DC's guys did at Army, and PJ's national championship GA southern teams. And those were some pretty good defenses even going against the TO at practice.

And I would like you to find me teams that are not factories that are great on both sides of the ball consistently. If that were the case, CFB would be a much more balanced playing field and not have the same factory teams in the playoffs hunt every year.

We are not a factory team and we were not able to afford a great DC to go along with a great offense.

Gus, Kirby, Dabo and all the other guys pay real money for their coordinators, that's why they have good ones. We've always had budget guys.

And now we have a budget OC to go with our defensive oriented HC. So essentially we switched from being good on offense, to the other way around. Instead of addressing the issue, we went with a change of direction instead. And I thought Tech has people who are supposed to be smart.

 

[99in99]

Listen buddy, I didn't say Oliver would start this year, I said Oliver may start. Meaning if he's the best QB, he starts. And then I pointed to the fact that he had a proven player in Washington, but was willing to play Vad as well because he saw more potential in Vad. Meaning if Graham, Lucas, or Yates was better than Oliver, they would play.

And at the end of the year, Taquan was better at running the whole offense still which is why he wasn't switched out since Oliver was so inexperienced in the scheme.

And as far as being triggered, I'm not the one coming into a thread about a previous coach making false accusations.

Thanks and Go Jackets!

• I made no false accusations.
• We BOTH opined that TO might've been the starter - not sure why you felt it necessary to repeat something we agreed upon.
• It's impossible to know who was better at the end of the year, since we never really saw TO at the end of the year. That TQM might've been the best does underline the state of the program at the end of 2018, if true. The complete lack of any real playing time in 2018 for JG definitely would've made PJ selecting him to be starter this past spring almost an impossibility.
• Yes, Go Jackets!

 

[Scubapro]

they'd still have to practice against the TO though.

All that practicing against the triple o did wonders for us against the Citadel.

 

[99in99]

As the current UNC DC's guys did at Army, and PJ's national championship GA southern teams. And those were some pretty good defenses even going against the TO at practice.

And I would like you to find me teams that are not factories that are great on both sides of the ball consistently. If that were the case, CFB would be a much more balanced playing field and not have the same factory teams in the playoffs hunt every year.

We are not a factory team and we were not able to afford a great DC to go along with a great offense.

Gus, Kirby, Dabo and all the other guys pay real money for their coordinators, that's why they have good ones. We've always had budget guys.

And now we have a budget OC to go with our defensive oriented HC. So essentially we switched from being good on offense, to the other way around. Instead of addressing the issue, we went with a change of direction instead. And I thought Tech has people who are supposed to be smart.

I apologize. I thought I'd posted a sarcastic emoji at the end of my response. I honestly didn't intend for it to be taken seriously. (the one about practicing against the TO)

re:Offense change - PJ's retirement forced us to make the change. Hiring another TO guy would've kept us in the 7-win malaise of 2017-18 for the foreseeable future. It was time for a change. I just hope we find a different OC. I'm not impressed with this P-nut guy so far.

 

[Pointer]

• I made no false accusations.
• We BOTH opined that TO might've been the starter - not sure why you felt it necessary to repeat something we agreed upon.
• It's impossible to know who was better at the end of the year, since we never really saw TO at the end of the year. That TQM might've been the best does underline the state of the program at the end of 2018, if true. The complete lack of any real playing time in 2018 for JG definitely would've made PJ selecting him to be starter this past spring almost an impossibility.
• Yes, Go Jackets!

We didn't agree on much, other than the current QB carousel is ineffective.

You said TO would be starting out of PJ's loyalty to his QB's. Those were your words, and I do not agree with that. I think PJ plays whoever is best at QB. That is where our disagreement is.

JG was a true freshman last year, he wouldn't have played meaningful snaps unless out of desperation. I think he did get a couple of garbage time plays at VT though.

Taquan has the best understanding of the offense out of him and Oliver last year. I believe Oliver was a redshirt freshman last year and Taquan was a senior with a years experience ahead of him, so I don't see why that is so shocking.

Also don't forget about Jaylend Ratliffe. He was a pretty good looking QB out of highschool and many thought he would not only run the 3O well, but be able to boost the passing game. He would have been a junior last year has he not had his playing career cut short.

My intention wasn't to get you riled up. I was merely pointing out some inconsistencies with what you were saying.

Anyways, hope the Jackets do well today against UNC!