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What to expect against Florida State: A closer look through the lens of data

FSU Head Coach Mike Norvell (photo: Tori Lynn Schneider/Tallahassee Democrat)

Predicting the first week of college football in 2020 is likely a fool’s errand. This is already a season unlike any other, and Bowl Championship Subdivision (BCS) teams have yet to lace ’em up and play a game.

Adding mystery to intrigue is Georgia Tech’s week 1 foe, Florida State. If you were to draw two random teams out of a hat with the goal of finding the biggest questions marks heading into the season, you’d likely do no better than the Jackets and Seminoles.

Georgia Tech’s unknowns are well documented. We have a coaching staff that has been together at the BCS level for three years. The first two at Temple provided a small lens into their likelihood to succeed at Georgia Tech, with Head Coach Geoff Collins going 7-6 and 8-4 in two consecutive seasons at the helm.

That short tenure, combined with a 3-9 start in year 1 at Georgia Tech following the transition from the under center spread option, has only widened the array of prognostications for future success. Jackets’ fans don’t need another prediction from yours truly to inform their opinion. They need real data in the form of wins and losses in 2020, as well as signs of measurable statistical improvement on the field and in the overall program, to be swayed.

If we counted the number of variables in play for Georgia Tech in week 1, we’d have enough talking points to fill the 3.5 hours of television for the talking heads. Now add in Florida State, a media favorite going through their own coaching transition, and the output is a national TV spot on ABC, September 12, 3:30pm ET.

Head Coach Mike Norvell’s transition from Memphis to Tallahassee has been, let’s just say, interesting. Mostly heralded as a great hire, his first offseason has garnered the type of attention that Florida State fans were hoping had passed. Despite the coaching changes from Jimbo Fisher to Willie Taggart to Mike Norvell, drama continues to infest the Florida State program. Norvell was accused publicly by his inherited players of lying to the media in June. Then, his players publicly alleged nontransparency and concerns around Covid-19 testing safety in August. Strike 1 and 2?

Norvell can quickly push those stories to back burner through success on the field in year 1. The challenge is, given Florida State’s on-field dysfunction in 2019 and a coaching transition in 2020, where do you set the bar?

An oft-cited data point to measure a coach’s ability is to look at their relative performance via strength-adjusted metrics. Football Outsiders has long provided this trove of information, so let’s peel back the onion on Norvell’s tenure at Memphis, which stretched from 2016-2019.

Ignoring year 1 as his own transition year there, here’s how Norvell’s Tigers performed in his final three years.

For the sake of brevity, I’m going to assume that Georgia Tech fans have a baseline understanding of FEI as it’s an oft-cited metric.

So what’s the takeaway? In Norvell’s final three years at Memphis, his teams performed admirably overall, finishing around 32 overall and in the top 25 on offense and special teams. FEI is strength-adjusted, essentially meaning you can’t inflate your ranking by beating up on patsies, and more credit is earned through your performance against top teams.

Florida State floundered last year by its historical standards, finishing with an overall FEI of 49. Especially poignant was their performance in the phases where Norvell has historically excelled, finishing with an FEI strength-adjusted ranking of Offense on 67 and Special Teams on 87. The defense finished at a respectable but far from elite, 39.

So we have a chance, right? Yes, absolutely. But if we’re being fair, we have a long road to hoe to match Florida State’s performance of last year.

Here’s how the Jackets fared last year, with Collins’ first two years as a FBS head coach thrown in for added context.

If you were to calculate an average in apples to apples fashion, I would have to discount 2017 (year 1 at Temple) and 2019 (year 1 at Georgia Tech) as I did with Norvell’s average at Memphis. That leaves 2018 as a barometer, and one-year averages don’t mean a whole lot.

So what do I make of the data? At a minimum, I’m comfortable concluding that Collins’ and Offensive Coordinator Dave Patenaude’s offense at Temple improved after a troubling first year. That first year was apparently a lot like last year’s painful experience for Tech fans, which yields a healthy dose of optimism for this year. Likewise, defense has rarely been a question mark for Collins, who fielded salty defenses as a coordinator before accentuating that as his strength in Philadelphia.

In the end, there are question marks everywhere for both teams. Ev. Er. Y. Where. And with Covid-19, we should probably expect the unexpected with respect to ongoing roster attrition even in week 1. Based on 2019 performance and data, Florida State has the head start. Based on familiarity with a new system and “team cohesion”, the edge goes to Georgia Tech.

Florida State, playing at home, rightfully has the edge publicly and via the eyes of Vegas (11.5 point favorites). But as 2020 has proven, anything can happen.

 
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CuseJacket

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Their offense scored 0 points in a scrimmage.
What's the takeaway? We'll get to face all of their QBs on 9/12, like in their scrimmage? We'll get a shutout?

Based on what I'm reading, I think our 1st string DL might... might... have a couple guys break FSU's 2-deep. In addition to the 3 aforementioned defensive tackles, FSU added DT Fabien Lovett via transfer portal. Lovett was a 4-star redshirt freshman last year at Miss State and started all 13 games at nose guard. Had offers from Bama, Florida, etc. He was granted immediate eligibility.

I'm not saying their OL is good, but ours ranked worse last year by many (most?) measures.

 

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What's the takeaway? We'll get to face all of their QBs on 9/12, like in their scrimmage? We'll get a shutout?

Based on what I'm reading, I think our 1st string DL might... might... have a couple guys break FSU's 2-deep. In addition to the 3 aforementioned defensive tackles, FSU added DT Fabien Lovett via transfer portal. Lovett was a 4-star redshirt freshman last year at Miss State and started all 13 games at nose guard. Had offers from Bama, Florida, etc. He was granted immediate eligibility.

I'm not saying their OL is good, but ours ranked worse last year by many (most?) measures.


What’s the takeaway? That Blackman and their Ol give us a chance to win
 

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Our offense averaged something like 13 points a game in regulation against FBS teams last year. Playing against a top defense on the country.

So we should play 2-back sets with Mason and Gibbs 80% of the game, and call runs 80% of the game. Keep the play calling simple. We’ll run all over their asses and since we all think it could be a 20-14 game, we’ll probably score 35 points and rush for 300 yards. This is a strange year and you never know. This is when undisciplined people especially stand out. There’s no telling what garbage we’ll see. With elite athletes out of step we’ll probably see a lot of great plays and a lot of knucklehead plays.
 

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What’s the takeaway? That Blackman and their Ol give us a chance to win
I hear ya and agree with you, based on their performance last year. And I like the idea of us facing a new OC/installed O that has no real game reps together as a unit.

I just don't think the scrimmage, against NFL draft picks and with back-up QBs taking major snaps, tells us much about how their O will fare against our D. Their O could have improved but struggled against an NFL DL, which unfortunately for us is the case for most college offenses.
 

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I was just thinking yesterday about how FSU will defend us. Will they load the box and press the corners forcing us to beat them with an intermediate/ deep passing game or will they play bend but dont break and force us to put drives together drives while not making mistakes? I think it will be the latter, especially if they think their D-line can handle our O-line.
 

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I was just thinking yesterday about how FSU will defend us. Will they load the box and press the corners forcing us to beat them with an intermediate/ deep passing game or will they play bend but dont break and force us to put drives together drives while not making mistakes? I think it will be the latter, especially if they think their D-line can handle our O-line.
Wasn't Graham's strength deep passing last year? I say let them force us to throw deep at that point haha.
 

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So we go to the outside? Screens, stretch runs, and some out route?

Play away from the middle of their Dline and punish them everywhere else.
 

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A healthy Jalen Camp is going to be big. If they try to press us and put our WR on an island, we need his strength to win the 50/50 balls. Really excited to see Gibbs on the field as well. He's got a chance to give DCs nightmares having to account for him in the passing game as well.
 

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If we can't make the quick or intermediate throws then I expect to see a QB change. We were not good at those last year. We can't expect to hold blocks very long against a really good DL.

This is where James Graham really struggled at the end of the year. Would find the guy to throw to to extend drives, often having to escape the pocket, but would make bad throws. We still have to try deep shots when the defense puts their secondary on islands, though.
 

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If we can't make the quick or intermediate throws then I expect to see a QB change. We were not good at those last year. We can't expect to hold blocks very long against a really good DL.
Based on coaches’ comments he knows he has to improve here or will be riding the bench. So hopeful he makes big steps here.
 

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Hit the nail on the head. Need to hope we get some timely turnovers or some key special teams plays. Eek out a 13-10 win.
There is no way we only score 13. We scored 14 on Clemson at Clemson, and they are way better than FSU. I think we score 24 on FSU.
 

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There is no way we only score 13. We scored 14 on Clemson at Clemson, and they are way better than FSU. I think we score 24 on FSU.

Our offense averaged about 13 in regulation against the 11 FBS teams last year. I certainly hope we do better, but a 13 point prediction is basically guessing we’ll do what we did on average last year.
 

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Our offense averaged about 13 in regulation against the 11 FBS teams last year. I certainly hope we do better, but a 13 point prediction is basically guessing we’ll do what we did on average last year.
That's fair. I just think having a whole year under our belt with the new offense and learning the playbook, the guys getting bigger, overall I just think the team has improved and we will be better at scoring this year on offense. I also think our defense will be fire and we will get a lot of turnovers this year.
 

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There is no way we only score 13. We scored 14 on Clemson at Clemson, and they are way better than FSU. I think we score 24 on FSU.

We also got shut out by VT at home and they are worse than FSU. Footballs random. I’d take 24 no questions asked if offered right now. That DL will be tough to move the ball against.
 
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