Versus UVa Baseball (Poll)

[gtbeak]

Everything I listed was in the last 20 years.

I was also there in 2010 when Alabama won a regional in our own stadium.

Edit: all of those schools except Cal and Pitt have won regionals since we last won ours. Cal also won in 2006.

Yes, it's all in the last 20 years, but it's all less than what we have in the last 20 years.

Winning a regional is nice, but it doesn't excuse missing a regional almost every other season. Coupled with never making it to Omaha, no bueno for that school. Let's put it this way...not many schools list their pre-season goal as "winning a regional". They will either list "making the NCAA tournament" if they are typically a bottom tier school, or they will list "Trip to Omaha". Now, if Omaha trips and regional trips are about even, then we can use "winning a regional" as a tie-breaker, but until those other two are approximately equal, sorry. If Bama had an Omaha trip I might would consider the regional wins, but they don't have that. Looking at it by year (bolded is an Omaha trip, 2020 ignored):

Georgia Tech Better (5): 2006, 2012, 2016, 2019, 2022
Alabama Better (2): 2010, 2023
Even (11): 2007 - 2009, 2011, 2013-2015, 2017, 2018, 2021, 2024

 

[Lagrangejacket]

Yes, it's all in the last 20 years, but it's all less than what we have in the last 20 years.

Anyone who’s won a regional in the last 19 years is arguably going better than we are.

 

[stinger78]

I think Hall has been an average colege coach, not the best or worst. I do think we can do better. I think Batt will improve our baseball future.

I would mostly agree, but put him as above average. What was going on in the 90’s that we could have such consistently good teams? Football, basketball, and baseball… except for B**L****. Was it great coaches? If so, CFDH was part if that, too. What happened?

 

[Eli]

Anyone who’s won a regional in the last 19 years is arguably going better than we are.

I don’t agree with this assessment. Notre Dame football has never won a New Years 6 bowl until last year. Would you want their last 20 years as a football program or ours? Because we have 1 2009 Orange Bowl. I would argue Hall has done less with more than any other program on campus but Tech baseball is a destination job and it’s because of Hall.

 

[MWBATL]

Hall is complicated to evaluate, although the internet is not immune to simplistic analyses.

Hall is viewed in an excellent leader by past players who have made the pros and who have donated large sums of money to our program (specifically Mark Texeira).That’s a big plus.
Hall is viewed as an excellent gateway coach to get players into the pros. That’s a big plus.
His recruiting has apparently been excellent consistently. (Lots of Top 10 Classes per the “experts”).
Hall’s players mostly seem to like and respect him from what little info we as fans get to see…That’s a plus but not a big one.
Hall’s W-L record compared other many other elite and competitive programs’ is unimpressive. That’s a minus.
Hall’s post-season record is pretty poor in the last 20 years. That’s a minus (maybe a big minus).
Hall’s consistent weakness is pitching. That’s a head-scratcher. I don’t know if its our stadium, our coaching, our recruiting, or what…but it has been by far the single biggest contributor to the ineffective W-L record and post-season play.

Bottom line….he’s not fireable because of the first 3 points. He’s not lovable because of the last 2-3 points. He’s somewhere in the middle.

 

[gtbeak]

Anyone who’s won a regional in the last 19 years is arguably going better than we are.

Perhaps you could make the argument, but it would be a weak one if the question is who has been better for the past 20 years.

 

[gtbeak]

Hall is complicated to evaluate, although the internet is not immune to simplistic analyses.

Hall is viewed in an excellent leader by past players who have made the pros and who have donated large sums of money to our program (specifically Mark Texeira).That’s a big plus.
Hall is viewed as an excellent gateway coach to get players into the pros. That’s a big plus.
His recruiting has apparently been excellent consistently. (Lots of Top 10 Classes per the “experts”).
Hall’s players mostly seem to like and respect him from what little info we as fans get to see…That’s a plus but not a big one.
Hall’s W-L record compared other many other elite and competitive programs’ is unimpressive. That’s a minus.
Hall’s post-season record is pretty poor in the last 20 years. That’s a minus (maybe a big minus).
Hall’s consistent weakness is pitching. That’s a head-scratcher. I don’t know if its our stadium, our coaching, our recruiting, or what…but it has been by far the single biggest contributor to the ineffective W-L record and post-season play.

Bottom line….he’s not fireable because of the first 3 points. He’s not lovable because of the last 2-3 points. He’s somewhere in the middle.

Agree with this. Thanks MWBATL, this is how one has a rational discussion.

 

[Lagrangejacket]

Perhaps you could make the argument, but it would be a weak one if the question is who has been better for the past 20 years.

But “better” isn’t always what we want. The 2007 Patriots (18-1) were certainly a “better” team than the 2007 Giants (10-6). But at the end of the season, Giants fans were happier, and being “better” was little solace to Patriots fans.

In 2019, we were a “better” team than almost anyone in the country. But no one feels good about that season.

With the advent of NIL, we have lost a lot of advantages GT has had over the past two decades. We missed a lot of opportunities. Not getting past the regionals in 19 years is a disgrace. Regardless of how much “better” we were than anyone else.

 

[Eli]

But “better” isn’t always what we want. The 2007 Patriots (18-1) were certainly a “better” team than the 2007 Giants (10-6). But at the end of the season, Giants fans were happier, and being “better” was little solace to Patriots fans.

In 2019, we were a “better” team than almost anyone in the country. But no one feels good about that season.

With the advent of NIL, we have lost a lot of advantages GT has had over the past two decades. We missed a lot of opportunities. Not getting past the regionals in 19 years is a disgrace. Regardless of how much “better” we were than anyone else.

NIL hasn’t hit baseball like it has other sports. There’s a reason we were able to pull in the #2 class and have a guy (Drew Burress) who wants to graduate in 3 years. College baseball still has some purity to it.

 

[GT33]

But “better” isn’t always what we want. The 2007 Patriots (18-1) were certainly a “better” team than the 2007 Giants (10-6). But at the end of the season, Giants fans were happier, and being “better” was little solace to Patriots fans.

In 2019, we were a “better” team than almost anyone in the country. But no one feels good about that season.

With the advent of NIL, we have lost a lot of advantages GT has had over the past two decades. We missed a lot of opportunities. Not getting past the regionals in 19 years is a disgrace. Regardless of how much “better” we were than anyone else.

GT sports was at it's most recent peak in the late 90's with O'Leary, Cremins & younger Hall. Since then, the world moved on & GT tried to stay in the past. We ignored the college sports arms race, passed on a great opportunity, etc. Our budget fell behind & we did dumb stuff like building the upper north and the boob job at McT. Not surprising as we've been led by Clough and Peterson, plus ReTodd & Sasquatch & Drad & Brainless. We misjudged the sports landscape, what the customers wanted & did the same old, same old hoping it would work out.

Cabrera and Batt have quite the challenge rebuilding all of this, our baseball team is no exception. We all want things we collectively are not paying for.

 

[FittedJacket]

GT sports was at it's most recent peak in the late 90's with O'Leary, Cremins & younger Hall. Since then, the world moved on & GT tried to stay in the past. We ignored the college sports arms race, passed on a great opportunity, etc. Our budget fell behind & we did dumb stuff like building the upper north and the boob job at McT. Not surprising as we've been led by Clough and Peterson, plus ReTodd & Sasquatch & Drad & Brainless. We misjudged the sports landscape, what the customers wanted & did the same old, same old hoping it would work out.

Cabrera and Batt have quite the challenge rebuilding all of this, our baseball team is no exception. We all want things we collectively are not paying for.

Those who complain the most donate the least. It’s always somebody else’s responsibility.

 

[gtbeak]

But “better” isn’t always what we want. The 2007 Patriots (18-1) were certainly a “better” team than the 2007 Giants (10-6). But at the end of the season, Giants fans were happier, and being “better” was little solace to Patriots fans.

In 2019, we were a “better” team than almost anyone in the country. But no one feels good about that season.

With the advent of NIL, we have lost a lot of advantages GT has had over the past two decades. We missed a lot of opportunities. Not getting past the regionals in 19 years is a disgrace. Regardless of how much “better” we were than anyone else.

I'll agree that not getting past a regional since 2006 is not good. I'll let you use the adjective that you want to use, but I think it is too strong. But the "thought experiment" that LargeFO claimed that he wanted to discuss was about program accomplishments over the last 20 years. The only way to put Bama even equal to Tech over that 20 year period is to focus on one metric that measures how a team performed on one weekend. The metrics that I use measure how a team performed over a 3 month period (getting into an NCAA Regional) and over a 2 week stretch (making it to Omaha). And we haven't discussed the off-the-field stuff around Bama having to fire their coach because he was betting on games. That truly is a disgrace.

Now, in fairness to the discussion in general about the program, the fact that in the past 20 years we are somewhere around 20th to 22nd out of 32 schools is not good. We certainly should be higher than that. And that is why most on this board have been advocating for CFDH to step down for a couple of years now. Thankfully he has finally agreed to do so.

 

[LargeFO]

I'll agree that not getting past a regional since 2006 is not good. I'll let you use the adjective that you want to use, but I think it is too strong. But the "thought experiment" that LargeFO claimed that he wanted to discuss was about program accomplishments over the last 20 years. The only way to put Bama even equal to Tech over that 20 year period is to focus on one metric that measures how a team performed on one weekend. The metrics that I use measure how a team performed over a 3 month period (getting into an NCAA Regional) and over a 2 week stretch (making it to Omaha). And we haven't discussed the off-the-field stuff around Bama having to fire their coach because he was betting on games. That truly is a disgrace.

Now, in fairness to the discussion in general about the program, the fact that in the past 20 years we are somewhere around 20th to 22nd out of 32 schools is not good. We certainly should be higher than that. And that is why most on this board have been advocating for CFDH to step down for a couple of years now. Thankfully he has finally agreed to do so.

It wasn’t my experiment dude. It was something I passed along that was interesting. Nothing more or less. Not surprisingly some of yall turned that into you’re a fan of someone else and etc. Which is hilarious, because I’ve been in this board for probably 9-10 years and watched plenty of underperforming baseball but I’m loyal regardless. I go to a few games a season and donate when I can. Trust me on this: if I was fairweather or cheered for another team I would have vacated wasting time on here long ago. I just have higher expectations then some on here for certain.

 

[GT33]

Now, in fairness to the discussion in general about the program, the fact that in the past 20 years we are somewhere around 20th to 22nd out of 32 schools is not good. We certainly should be higher than that. And that is why most on this board have been advocating for CFDH to step down for a couple of years now. Thankfully he has finally agreed to do so.

We all love GT, but why do you think we deserve anything better than 20-22 of 32? What have we done outside of not firing Hall to make the program more attractive than those others above us?

 

[senoiajacket]

Hall is complicated to evaluate, although the internet is not immune to simplistic analyses.

Hall is viewed in an excellent leader by past players who have made the pros and who have donated large sums of money to our program (specifically Mark Texeira).That’s a big plus.
Hall is viewed as an excellent gateway coach to get players into the pros. That’s a big plus.
His recruiting has apparently been excellent consistently. (Lots of Top 10 Classes per the “experts”).
Hall’s players mostly seem to like and respect him from what little info we as fans get to see…That’s a plus but not a big one.
Hall’s W-L record compared other many other elite and competitive programs’ is unimpressive. That’s a minus.
Hall’s post-season record is pretty poor in the last 20 years. That’s a minus (maybe a big minus).
Hall’s consistent weakness is pitching. That’s a head-scratcher. I don’t know if its our stadium, our coaching, our recruiting, or what…but it has been by far the single biggest contributor to the ineffective W-L record and post-season play.

Bottom line….he’s not fireable because of the first 3 points. He’s not lovable because of the last 2-3 points. He’s somewhere in

Most people would say the object of sports is to win. The first three points are a means to an end. If you don’t achieve the end, the intermediate steps don’t matter much.

Personally, sports (especially college sports) are about more than winning. Especially GT sports. It ties me to a place that has provided unbelievable benefits to now three generations of my family. Would I prefer for GT to win more?? Of course!! Do I appreciate the fact that GT baseball has won more consistently than either of the other two sports?? Yep. Am I frustrated what seems like every late spring when we fail to advance out of regionals?? You bet I am. It’s complicated. Overall, I have been ready for Hall to retire since about when his sons played, maybe before.

 

[senoiajacket]

NIL hasn’t hit baseball like it has other sports. There’s a reason we were able to pull in the #2 class and have a guy (Drew Burress) who wants to graduate in 3 years. College baseball still has some purity to it.

That’s why it’s my favorite. I fear it’s changing fast

 

[stinger78]

Most people would say the object of sports is to win. The first three points are a means to an end. If you don’t achieve the end, the intermediate steps don’t matter much.

Personally, sports (especially college sports) are about more than winning. Especially GT sports. It ties me to a place that has provided unbelievable benefits to now three generations of my family. Would I prefer for GT to win more?? Of course!! Do I appreciate the fact that GT baseball has won more consistently than either of the other two sports?? Yep. Am I frustrated what seems like every late spring when we fail to advance out of regionals?? You bet I am. It’s complicated. Overall, I have been ready for Hall to retire since about when his sons played, maybe before.

Agree. Hall's been a good coach overall - some very good, some pretty mediocre, but overall good. Rarely ever great. Three or four seasons in 30 years. But then, what sports at GA Tech are consistently great? IMPO, that answer would be none. That puts GT baseball on par with the rest of the school's athletics and puts GT athletics in the middle of the pack of all P4 teams, which is about where we are.
As for the thought experiment, I am sure most of those teams wouldn't trade for their baseball our baseball, but I also wouldn't trade ours for theirs based on a regional or two over 20 seasons. We're all just that great middle tier that is largely unintelligible from one another.

So, I ask again... what was it that made the 90's different? Coaching? Recruiting? Competition? Lightning in a bottle? We won an NC in football, went to a Final Four in basketball, and a CWS all in the first half of the decade, and had those Joe Ham/Goose football teams, but aside from Stephon Marbury's year, we fell off in basketball.

 

[GT33]

Those who complain the most donate the least. It’s always somebody else’s responsibility.

We need anonymous polls for contribution levels for the various sports and maybe one for overall. It would be interesting to see how many on here are in 3 digit, 4 digit, 5 digit giving levels. Maybe someone’s at 6, but doubt it.

 

[stinger78]

We need anonymous polls for contribution levels for the various sports and maybe one for overall. It would be interesting to see how many on here are in 3 digit, 4 digit, 5 digit giving levels. Maybe someone’s at 6, but doubt it.

Why can't you just be a fan and offer input?

 

[senoiajacket]

We all love GT, but why do you think we deserve anything better than 20-22 of 32? What have we done outside of not firing Hall to make the program more attractive than those others above us?

Haven’t we upgraded facilities? We were told a couple of years ago by the father of a recruit that we had a STATE OF THE ART pitching facility?? Don’t we hear that Tex gives hundreds of thousands to the program? That money has gone back into the program. We brought in a top pitching coach from the NY Yankees a few years ago. Even though he didn’t work out, we invested in him and his program. We consistently have a top 10 recruiting class. Our facilities may not be the reason they are coming, but if they were awful, they would t come. I reject the argument (as I understand it) that we aren’t doing anything to make ourselves better, therefore we don’t “deserve” to be better