Singleton to Portal

[slugboy]

Lol. Ok. Explain Travis Hunter…or…

Drake Maye
Devon Witherspoon
Tyree Wilson
Sauce Gardner
Ikem Ekwonu
Charles Cross

Those all all top ten draft picks from the past three years. From teams like UNC, NC State, Cincinnati, Mississippi State, etc.

Jared Goff was taken #1 overall after having one winning season (7-5) at Cal.

Do you guys actually watch the draft or do you just propagate nonsense that other people say because you like how it sounds?

You got me looking at the draft, and I'm seeing players from Toledo and Washington State and other places that the Falcons should have drafted.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

To paraphrase a hall of fame coach, “If you’re good enough (for the pros) they will find you.”

Still remains true today.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

You got me looking at the draft, and I'm seeing players from Toledo and Washington State and other places that the Falcons should have drafted

The Falcons, back in the day, were notorious for drafting good college players, like from the SEC (because they were local fan favorites) who had no chance of making it in the pros. Pat Sullivan comes to mind. Great college quarterback (didn’t he win Heisman?) but he, along with others over the years, was not pro material.

 

[Richard7125]

Lol. Ok. Explain Travis Hunter…or…

Drake Maye
Devon Witherspoon
Tyree Wilson
Sauce Gardner
Ikem Ekwonu
Charles Cross

Those all all top ten draft picks from the past three years. From teams like UNC, NC State, Cincinnati, Mississippi State, etc.

Jared Goff was taken #1 overall after having one winning season (7-5) at Cal.

Do you guys actually watch the draft or do you just propagate nonsense that other people say because you like how it sounds?

This is a similar argument to recruiting rankings don’t matter. Someone lists a handful of examples where a 2-star player blossoms into an All-American and gets drafted in the first round then drops the mic like the case is closed.

 

[Richard7125]

To paraphrase a hall of fame coach, “If you’re good enough (for the pros) they will find you.”

Still remains true today.

I completely agree. I firmly believe if Jahmyr Gibbs had stayed at Tech he still would have been drafted in the NFL. I just don’t think he would have been the #12 pick. I think playing (and starring) at Bama helped him.

 

[TampaBuzz]

The options are more like: (a) get a Tech degree; (b) get $2M and probably a degree from Auburn; or (c) get $2M from (u)GA.

Isn't GT offering NIL money also? So Tech degree plus $$. The question is what is the $$ differential and does it offset the value of the GT degree? And to be fair, there are degree programs at Auburn and UGA that are not offered at GT in which you can make a boatload of money.

 

[MGTfan]

Y’all can just stop bringing up the degree talk in here. If you think that’s playing into Singleton’s decision at all then you’re crazy.

 

[stinger78]

This is a similar argument to recruiting rankings don’t matter. Someone lists a handful of examples where a 2-star player blossoms into an All-American and gets drafted in the first round then drops the mic like the case is closed.

Rankings don’t matter squat. A player is what he is, regardless of what a bunch of amateurs think of him.

Anyone can pick out the men among boys on a HS field. Those are your 4/5* players who will be successful at the next level with minimal development, though some do not.

Most of the rest of the players who produce well are 3* players who will take some development to be successful at the next level, and many do.

Ranking matter only in that they confirm what is pretty evident.

 

[stinger78]

Y’all can just stop bringing up the degree talk in here. If you think that’s playing into Singleton’s decision at all then you’re crazy.

Silly me! I somehow thought these were college players we were discussing. My bad.

 

[kg01]

Silly me! I somehow thought these were college players we were discussing. My bad.

This is why I hope they move to a club system, with each school having an affiliated club. Some students, some not. IIWII

 

[Richard7125]

Rankings don’t matter squat. A player is what he is, regardless of what a bunch of amateurs think of him.

Anyone can pick out the men among boys on a HS field. Those are your 4/5* players who will be successful at the next level with minimal development, though some do not.

Most of the rest of the players who produce well are 3* players who will take some development to be successful at the next level, and many do.

Ranking matter only in that they confirm what is pretty evident.

There are many people who argue there's really no difference in recruiting classes of a team that has a bunch of 4 star players and a team that has a bunch of 3 star players. They typically reference the stud 2 and 3 star players that blossom to support their argument.

 

[1979jacket]

NM

 

[bobongo]

If you’re an exceptional player on a mid-tier team, you will get noticed and drafted. If you’re an exceptional player at a big program, you’re a Heisman candidate and a top-10 draft pick.

That depends solely on how "exceptional" you are.
On the other side of the coin is the exceptional player at a factory who ends up on the bench behind other exceptional players and never even gets a chance.
Hope that doesn't happen to Singleton. It might be something for him to think about.

 

[bke1984]

This is a similar argument to recruiting rankings don’t matter. Someone lists a handful of examples where a 2-star player blossoms into an All-American and gets drafted in the first round then drops the mic like the case is closed.

I honestly don't even understand this response. This is documented proof that counters your argument...

Look at the draft results. Good players at non-factory schools get drafted in the top 10 EVERY YEAR. If you're good enough to get drafted in the top 10 you will get drafted in the top 10. Playing at a factory does not change this at all. What the draft rankings point out is how much talent those schools just always have coming through their recruiting classes. It does not speak to their ability to develop talent.

 

[Richard7125]

I honestly don't even understand this response. This is documented proof that counters your argument...

Look at the draft results. Good players at non-factory schools get drafted in the top 10 EVERY YEAR. If you're good enough to get drafted in the top 10 you will get drafted in the top 10. Playing at a factory does not change this at all. What the draft rankings point out is how much talent those schools just always have coming through their recruiting classes. It does not speak to their ability to develop talent.

Your initial post (pet peeve) is that there is no logic for athletes wanting to transfer to bigger programs in hopes that playing at that program will help them get drafted. I disagree with that; I think there is some logic.

1. I think starring at a bigger program has more value to an athlete’s draft stock than starring at a smaller program.
2. Most athletes tend to get better practicing/playing against athletes that are as good as them or better.
3. I think average players at the big programs tend to get the benefit of the doubt (see all of the SEC bias threads)

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I completely agree. I firmly believe if Jahmyr Gibbs had stayed at Tech he still would have been drafted in the NFL. I just don’t think he would have been the #12 pick. I think playing (and starring) at Bama helped him.

Yeah, I think higher visibility probably helps in negotiating the signing bonus but if a team really wants you, and you have a good agent, you will make out well.

 

[Richard7125]

That depends solely on how "exceptional" you are.
On the other side of the coin is the exceptional player at a factory who ends up on the bench behind other exceptional players and never even gets a chance.
Hope that doesn't happen to Singleton. It might be something for him to think about.

I agree with this.

 

[bobongo]

I wonder if signing a big NIL contract might actually get you on the field more because so much is invested. I think this happens on the pro level, where a guy signs a huge contract, and the team plays him over someone on the bench probably more capable but who has less invested in him. For instance, Aaron Rodgers, who gets mega bucks for declining performance, but the Jets are stuck with him because they're paying him too much to sit on the bench. Maybe NIL bucks aren't big enough for that to be a factor, but I wonder if getting seven-figures might get a player who's a disappointment more playing time than his performance merits.

 

[mts315]

I wonder if signing a big NIL contract might actually get you on the field more because so much is invested. I think this happens on the pro level, where a guy signs a huge contract, and the team plays him over someone on the bench probably more capable but who has less invested in him. For instance, Aaron Rodgers, who gets mega bucks for mediocre performance, but the Jets are stuck with him because they're paying him too much to sit on the bench. Maybe NIL bucks aren't big enough for that to be a factor, but I wonder if getting seven-figures might get a player who's a disappointment more playing time than his performance merits.

That seems like a quick way to get fired as a coach. Kind of like recruiting players just because they are highly rated by the recruiting sites and not off of your own evaluations.

It is also exactly what happened with DJU and FSU this year. It was obvious that he was a major part of the offenses struggles but FSU had given him too much NIL for him to be sitting on the bench.

 

[WreckinGT]

I wonder if signing a big NIL contract might actually get you on the field more because so much is invested. I think this happens on the pro level, where a guy signs a huge contract, and the team plays him over someone on the bench probably more capable but who has less invested in him. For instance, Aaron Rodgers, who gets mega bucks for declining performance, but the Jets are stuck with him because they're paying him too much to sit on the bench. Maybe NIL bucks aren't big enough for that to be a factor, but I wonder if getting seven-figures might get a player who's a disappointment more playing time than his performance merits.

At least on the NFL part, Kirk Cousins is really testing this theory right now.