Sims and Turnovers

[smokey_wasp]

So is anyone gonna spill what Tucker's dad had to say in this mystery chat? Is it akin to what Johnson's dad said in his infamous tweet?

It is apparently behind the rivals paywall in the BC game thread. KQ even gave the page number: 34. Any way to sell subscriptions, I guess!

 

[Gt2019]

So is anyone gonna spill what Tucker's dad had to say in this mystery chat? Is it akin to what Johnson's dad said in his infamous tweet?

Someone said “if that is confirmed and Gleason doesn’t get in the game.. I’d enter the portal if I were him” and his dad responded to that saying “Best post of the season!”. I think he also said some things during the Clemson game but I’m not sure

 

[Jacketman99]

Someone said “if that is confirmed and Gleason doesn’t get in the game.. I’d enter the portal if I were him” and his dad responded to that saying “Best post of the season!”. I think he also said some things during the Clemson game but I’m not sure

Why any GT fan would suggest this is beyond me.

 

[Gt2019]

Why any GT fan would suggest this is beyond me.

I mean he’s being honest and tucker probably should but I don’t thing you should publicly come out and say that with players parents on the site

 

[Milwaukee]

Why any GT fan would suggest this is beyond me.

Welcome to Swarm if you think that daisy was bad. You should’ve seen the fans here in chat calling for Gibbs to get out of here and transfer asap. Buncha losers in this fanbase unfortunately.

 

[WreckinGT]

If we had an experienced QB who could move the ball and not have turnovers, he'd be playing already. We don't. It's a big reason we're having to throw a true freshman to the wolves early.

And despite his mistakes, Sims is a lot closer to where we need our QB to be this year than Graham was last year, and the quarter or so Graham got against BC doesn't really make me think he's addressed the issues he had last year. Sims has issues with turnovers, but largely that is issues on a small number of plays, and while those have big consequences, it's easier to solve an issue that affects 3 or 4 plays a game than one that affects 30+.

Sims had basically 8 drives against BC (not counting the drive starting at the 17 with 26 seconds left). He led us to 3 TDs, for a ppd of 2.675 which is a very respectable number and a significant increase from last year. That is with another drive that probably should have ended with 3 if not for us having no kicker. A FG there would have put us at 3 ppd which is certainly a good mark.

To compare, Graham came in, had 4 drives, 1 TD, a 3 and out, a 4 and out, and a solid drive ending in FG range, that started on their side of the field after an onside. His ppd was 1.75 (giving him the extra point because that missed point had nothing to do with Graham at all). If we make his FG then he's sitting at 2.5 ppd.

The truth is Sims moves the ball and produces more than Graham did last year by a good bit, and likely more than our other QBs. It's why he is playing. What we as a team is what Sims gives us AND for the TOs to be cut out. When we did that we put up nearly 4 ppd. It doesn't do much good to make the change to cut the TOs at the expense of the playmaking and ability to sustain drives. That would make more sense if we had a good defense which lends more value to the field position that comes with punting instead of turning it over. But we don't have a good defense so the relative value of a punt vs a turnover isn't as high. And before people say that he isn't improving or learning from his mistakes, he threw 8 Ints in his first 3 games, and while not all were entirely on him, a good many were. He's cut that to 2 in the last 3 games. So there is improvement on the INT front. He has to address the fumble issues but part of that dynamic is getting a center that is more consistent with snaps as two of the fumbles he's had recently have been snap related.

I’m not for replacing Sims at this point. I think we have invested too much there but im not sure it is completely fair to try to make conclusions on a guy who hasn't taken a snap in nearly a year, had multiple passes dropped on him, and only got 4 possessions to do anything at a time when the outcome of the game was pretty much decided. If you look at Sims first 4 possessions in the game, they didn't go very well.

 

[lv20gt]

Next year we're going to have 4 freshman QBs and a sophomore QB. Transfers or position changes are on the horizon. My guess is whoever isn't at least second string probably gets talked to about the future.

My guess is right now Sims seems to be the clear starter and it wouldn't surprise me if we're seeing a bit of what we did at the beginning of last year in terms of who should be the back up. Yates got the 4th against Clemson. Graham got the 4th against BC. My guess is the next time we have an opportunity, Gleason will get in.

 

[Gt2019]

It’s very odd how Gleason went from cdp qb and being the favorite to be starter week 1 to holding snaps, to being 4th string and now his dad coming out with his opinion. Seems odd and strange

 

[dmel25]

It’s very odd how Gleason went from cdp qb and being the favorite to be starter week 1 to holding snaps,

I am shocked too because last year I remember everyone talking about Gleason. They made him sound like he was going to be the next Joe Montana or something, like he was going to be our QB of the future, and yet we haven't seen him once? Not even on mop up duty like we have seen Yates and Graham get? Why?

 

[Gt2019]

I am shocked too because last year I remember everyone talking about Gleason. They made him sound like he was going to be the next Joe Montana or something, like he was going to be our QB of the future, and yet we haven't seen him once? Not even on mop up duty like we have seen Yates and Graham get? Why?

I wonder if it’s a attitude thing or effort in practice. Even more weird that graham missed the Clemson game and another game and just showed up as 2nd string over Gleason for Boston college

 

[dmel25]

I wonder if it’s a attitude thing or effort in practice. Even more weird that graham missed the Clemson game and another game and just showed up as 2nd string over Gleason for Boston college

I don't want to speculate, but it could be attitude or effort in practice. I agree though it is strange that Graham has missed the last 2-3 games it feels like and then he suddenly comes in and is the backup behind Sims? Makes me wonder if he was the planned backup all along but was out for Covid reasons.

 

[GTFLETCH]

Leading the nation in turnovers is a problem. Go find me how many teams with a QB that led the nation in turnovers and had a good season (for sake of argument, let’s say a winning record) and we can talk.

Sam Darnold...#3 pick in the 2018 Draft...Across his 27 college games over two seasons, Darnold amassed a whopping 36 turnovers. He lost 14 fumbles out of a total of 20, and threw 22 interceptions on 846 attempts (2.6%). Plenty of successful quarterbacks have been turnover prone in college and went on to have success. Ben Rothlisberger threw 21 interceptions over his last two college seasons. Drew Brees threw 24. Matt Ryan 29. Matt Stafford, Kirk Cousins and Eli Manning both had higher college interception rates over their final two seasons than Darnold. The list goes on and on.

2016 - Sam Darnold led USC 10-3 record and a final AP ranking of #3 and a win in the Rose Bowl
2017- Sam Darnold led USC 11-3 record and a final AP ranking of #12 and a loss in the Cotton Bowl

Our problem is not at QB... The problem lies with the defense..

 

[Techfan02]

I know this may seems a little controversial to some people, but I will give him this year as a pass covid and a true freshman in a new offense and learning So I think he will be light years better next year

 

[wesgt123]

Curry needs to worry about the defense.

Sims needs to yell at curry every time he whiffed a TFL. Sims would have been hoarse by the end of the game

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I’m not for replacing Sims at this point. I think we have invested too much there but im not sure it is completely fair to try to make conclusions on a guy who hasn't taken a snap in nearly a year, had multiple passes dropped on him, and only got 4 possessions to do anything at a time when the outcome of the game was pretty much decided. If you look at Sims first 4 possessions in the game, they didn't go very well.

“If you ignore the fact my guy played against backups and if you ignore all the other guy’s scoring drives, my guy’s play looks pretty good.”

 

[yeti92]

“If you ignore the fact my guy played against backups and if you ignore all the other guy’s scoring drives, my guy’s play looks pretty good.”

They played about equal imo. Sims didn't score anything on his first few drives, so it's weird some of you are acting like they were given equal opportunity. And they both netted 7 points.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

They played about equal imo. Sims didn't score anything on his first few drives, so it's weird some of you are acting like they were given equal opportunity. And they both netted 7 points.

Huh? Not even remotely in the same zip code as true.

 

[WreckinGT]

“If you ignore the fact my guy played against backups and if you ignore all the other guy’s scoring drives, my guy’s play looks pretty good.”

Not really sure how he is my guy when I clearly expressed my preference for the other guy. Nice projection though. Im not sure why you are so upset though when someone supports one of our players. You are right in a way. Graham had to play a different mix of defensive players. Not all of the starters were out, especially after the TD drive. BC also probably didnt prepare for Graham at all giving a little more advantage. There are probably 50 other variables that make the entire comparison silly.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Not really sure how he is my guy when I clearly expressed my preference for the other guy. Nice projection though. Im not sure why you are so upset though when someone supports one of our players. You are right in a way. Graham had to play a different mix of defensive players. Not all of the starters were out, especially after the TD drive. BC also probably didnt prepare for Graham at all giving a little more advantage. There are probably 50 other variables that make the entire comparison silly.

change that I called him your guy into thing one and thing two if you want. The point still stands the same. You can try to start some argument saying that I am mad or bashing our players, but as usual, it is the opposite of that. I don’t know where you would come up with any of that, but I guess it is what it is. The single point of my post is that in your post it felt like cherry picking of data since you were selectively excluding part of each players data set.

 

[g0lftime]

If Gleason does not see the field this year I would expect him to transfer. This is a free year of eligibility for Sims so he has at least 4 more years. JG has 3 more and the kid from CA will have 5 to play 4 next year. So he and Sims will be the same in terms of eligibility next year but Sims will have had a free year as a starter. We will be lucky to have any of them except Sims after next year. Yates is a mystery as to what he will do. The QB position is a log jam right now and this free year of eligibility has really complicated our situation at QB.