Name and Likeness Law Signed by Kemp

[forensicbuzz]

You get to decide why? Are you running out behind the wreck this fall?

Sometimes I forget how young you are. That's nothing 20 years won't fix.

 

[forensicbuzz]

College football is no longer an amateur sport and it’s been that way for awhile. The schools made this choice with the outrageous spending and seeking of massive tv contracts. You realize Kirby makes more than Arthur smith the coach of the officially designated pro team in this state?

College football has always been an amateur sport. Go look it up.

 

[Coloradojacket]

College football has always been an amateur sport. Go look it up.

Well since 99% of Div1 college football players will never be on an NFL roster...I would agree that it is still an amateur sport. Maybe we should quit worrying about that 1% and think about the 99%.

 

[GT_EE78]

the ones who want pay should go to something like the G league in basketball.
no doubt the Arena,Canadian,XFL or spring league could find a way to accommodate them.

 

[CheCha54]

the ones who want pay should go to something like the G league in basketball.
no doubt the Arena,Canadian,XFL or spring league could find a way to accommodate them.

The choice for high school athletes should be turn pro or agree to a minimum of 3 years college athletics. This is the process for baseball. In some cases the professional contract will include college tuition. The NFL uses college football for player development.

 

[awbuzz]

The choice for high school athletes should be turn pro or agree to a minimum of 3 years college athletics. This is the process for baseball. In some cases the professional contract will include college tuition. The NFL uses college football for player development.

...and laugh their asses off as the go to the bank not having to pay for player development.

 

[ncjacket79]

The choice for high school athletes should be turn pro or agree to a minimum of 3 years college athletics. This is the process for baseball. In some cases the professional contract will include college tuition. The NFL uses college football for player development.

So how would you propose making that happen? Reality is for football and to a lesser extent basketball, the path to a professional career goes through college. That’s the system we’ve built precisely because we wanted college sports to be a big thing. In the rest of the world you choose athletics or education. Their college teams are basically club sports. As on old boss of mine used to say, we are getting the result we have designed the system to produce.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Kids at the military academies are paid while attending. All of them including athletes but it is held in escrow until they graduate. They go out and buy new cars for graduation. At least they did in the late 60's. Corvettes, triumphs, jags, GTO's etc. Best friend played LB there and bought a corvette.

It's not held in escrow. You get a check every month.

 

[CheCha54]

So how would you propose making that happen? Reality is for football and to a lesser extent basketball, the path to a professional career goes through college. That’s the system we’ve built precisely because we wanted college sports to be a big thing. In the rest of the world you choose athletics or education. Their college teams are basically club sports. As on old boss of mine used to say, we are getting the result we have designed the system to produce.

Take a look at baseball. In addition who's to say a high school kid can't compete at the professional level? Why mandate that college football players must wait 3 yrs to go pro? Oh, it's for their own good.

 

[Root4GT]

It is amateur athletics. Look at the mission statements. Just because people cheat the system doesn't mean it's not.

No it is not amateur athletics. That is simply a pretend notion to keep the NCAA as a non profit. "Student Athletes" already get get tuition, board and living expenses for playing. That is compensation, you just approve of that type of compensation vice actual cash some players can make via NIL. Times change, school administrations need to keep pace with changing times. I suspect several Olympic sports athletes will make significant money via NIL and they may stay in college longer vice turning pro at very early ages.

 

[slugboy]

The NCAA might actually do something, now, and it’s got a shot at being a compromise fig leaf to cover all the state NIL laws. There are lots of options, one will probably be the right thing to do, while one will probably be the smart thing to do. I’m expecting the NCAA to to the NCAA thing to do.
Some of you aren’t fans of Connelly, but his comment is on the nose:

 

[AlabamaBuzz]

I see this continuing the trend that has been in place for many years - the haves will have more, and the have-nots will have less.

Unless every state was going to agree not to do this, there was really no choice for the governor, though.

 

[forensicbuzz]

No it is not amateur athletics. That is simply a pretend notion to keep the NCAA as a non profit. "Student Athletes" already get get tuition, board and living expenses for playing. That is compensation, you just approve of that type of compensation vice actual cash some players can make via NIL. Times change, school administrations need to keep pace with changing times. I suspect several Olympic sports athletes will make significant money via NIL and they may stay in college longer vice turning pro at very early ages.

You're playing games with words. Amateur athletes get all types of elite training and other non-monetary support to maintain their amateurism. That doesn't mean they're not amateurs.

 

[Root4GT]

You're playing games with words. Amateur athletes get all types of elite training and other non-monetary support to maintain their amateurism. That doesn't mean they're not amateurs.

Of course it does. We have pretended for decades they are amateurs for most of our old fart lives. It’s truly been pretend. They are compensated often with above board cash. You simply want to hold on to a myth that does not exist. That’s fine but the train left the station long ago. NIL is here to stay. It will be refined over time but it’s not going away.

 

[WreckinGT]

College football has always been an amateur sport. Go look it up.

Its the only amateur sport that is also a multi billion dollar business with employees making 8-9 million a year. Those two things are at odds with each other and something has to give.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Of course it does. We have pretended for decades they are amateurs for most of our old fart lives. It’s truly been pretend. They are compensated often with above board cash. You simply want to hold on to a myth that does not exist. That’s fine but the train left the station long ago. NIL is here to stay. It will be refined over time but it’s not going away.

Well, I guess you're entitled to be wrong. This "evolution" has killed the idea of team sports. Look at what free agency has done to sports. It hasn't made the game better. The players cashing in hasn't "spread the wealth" from the owners to the players. The owners are always going to make theirs. What it's done is transferred the cash from the fans to the players, making it nearly impossible for an average family to go see a game. This is not headed in a good direction and anyone who thinks differently is in for a very rude awakening.

 

[mtodd30]

Take a look at baseball. In addition who's to say a high school kid can't compete at the professional level? Why mandate that college football players must wait 3 yrs to go pro? Oh, it's for their own good.

This whole thread is a major rabbit hole, but I’d say it’s a heck of a lot easier just on a physical level to compete in baseball out of high school than football. Freshman football players coming out of high school often have to put on lots of weight depending on position to even begin to compete with the guys who have been in the program for a while.

in not a major fan of baseball but I know they have extensive farm systems that they place their draft picks who come straight out of high school to develop if they need it, and o bet most of them do.

If I could pick any sport where high schoolers can come right in and have the best chance of competing, its basketball.

 

[Root4GT]

Well, I guess you're entitled to be wrong. This "evolution" has killed the idea of team sports. Look at what free agency has done to sports. It hasn't made the game better. The players cashing in hasn't "spread the wealth" from the owners to the players. The owners are always going to make theirs. What it's done is transferred the cash from the fans to the players, making it nearly impossible for an average family to go see a game. This is not headed in a good direction and anyone who thinks differently is in for a very rude awakening.

Again this is a free market in operation, simple concept. When the price point gets high enough that consumers (fans) are pushed out of the market (they don’t but tickets) the market will correct. Whether we like it or not isn’t relevant at all.

professional sports have continuously adapted over time and the public’s preferences for spend money on attending/watching sports has changed over time as well.

The same is true for college sports. Basically it’s adapt or become extinct.

Older fans don’t generally like the changing landscape. Heck virtually none of us played soccer as kids. Now soccer is the biggest youth sport in the Country. When that generation becomes the market force the economics of sports will change along with the consumers desires. Basic free market in action.

You seem to favor non free market systems where athletes have no power or say in their sports (business). Your opinion counts as much as mine, not beyond how we spend our discretionary dollars on sports entertainment.

 

[stech81]

Again this is a free market in operation, simple concept. When the price point gets high enough that consumers (fans) are pushed out of the market (they don’t but tickets) the market will correct. Whether we like it or not isn’t relevant at all.

professional sports have continuously adapted over time and the public’s preferences for spend money on attending/watching sports has changed over time as well.

The same is true for college sports. Basically it’s adapt or become extinct.

Older fans don’t generally like the changing landscape. Heck virtually none of us played soccer as kids. Now soccer is the biggest youth sport in the Country. When that generation becomes the market force the economics of sports will change along with the consumers desires. Basic free market in action.

You seem to favor non free market systems where athletes have no power or say in their sports (business). Your opinion counts as much as mine, not beyond how we spend our discretionary dollars on sports entertainment.

What is soccer you talk about? But we did play war with bb guns so we would know when you got shot. And we drink water out of a garden hose and stay outside from 9 am till dark.

 

[ncjacket79]

Well, I guess you're entitled to be wrong. This "evolution" has killed the idea of team sports. Look at what free agency has done to sports. It hasn't made the game better. The players cashing in hasn't "spread the wealth" from the owners to the players. The owners are always going to make theirs. What it's done is transferred the cash from the fans to the players, making it nearly impossible for an average family to go see a game. This is not headed in a good direction and anyone who thinks differently is in for a very rude awakening.

This is where everything has been headed for quite a long time and complaining about it won’t stop it. Personally I think it all goes back to what I call the ESPNization of college sports. Back in the day with limited TV availability local rivalries and conference
championships were the big thing. With more widespread coverage it became more about hype, hot takes and top 10 lists or ranking players, coaches, recruits and pretty much anything else. Personalities became more important to draw eyes and create drama. The money followed and we eventually ended up where we are now. There was no real way to stop it when individuals became as big as the teams they coached or played for. I’m not complaining because I love having more options to watch and for those who think the current developments are some kind of death knell I say it’s the logical next steps for college sports.