Mostly “Fire Geoff Collins”, some reminiscing, maybe bourbon or other distractions

[reckrider]

At a minimum, Thacker is over his head as D-coordinator. Someone needs to take over game prep or game management on the defensive side or both.

 

[Heisman's Ghost]

Down to #104 in the Athletics ranking of 130 teams. Only Duke below us in the ACC at 118. Teams ranked above us include North Texas, South Alabama, Fl Atlantic, GA State and GA Southern…

Just unreal and unbelievable.

CFN had us at a rather mediocre but still respectable 64th but now has pegged us down to #103. Losing to a team that has not won a game since November of 2019 will do that.

 

[bobongo]

CFN had us at a rather mediocre but still respectable 64th but now has pegged us down to #103. Losing to a team that has not won a game since November of 2019 will do that.

And our talent level has to be at least #40. So if we're #103, that would make our coaching staff #166.

 

[Heisman's Ghost]

And our talent level has to be at least #40. So if we're #103, that would make our coaching staff #166.

Well, OK put the math in an algebraic equation like a real Tech man and I will be convinced but there are only 130 Power 5 and G 5 teams ranked by CFN.

 

[SwarmingRound]

I was at the game Saturday. I enjoyed the experience because I was with friends, but the game itself was disappointing.

I've been convinced for many years that there is a conspiracy to keep GT athletics at bay, and ensure mediocrity. This way the academics stay front and center, and no ignorant Northeastern or left-coasters say things like "those Southern idiots only know how to play football." I don't mind this conspiracy, because my work keeps me well paid, and my degrees from GT have opened many doors.

That being said, it's a shame that this conspiracy is in place, because it would be nice to win some games.

The first order of business, if there were a conspiracy like this, would be to ensure that someone in a very high position, say, Athletic Director, is so poor at judging talent that he'd be fooled by the likes of a "rah rah" hype guy, much in the same way that Arthur Blank was bamboozled by Dan Quinn. Geoff Collins is a rah rah guy, and just look at Josh Pastner -- need we say more? Pastner's lucky ACC tourney win (they eeked out two victories by five points each, avoiding a matchup with Virginia due to a Covid cancellation) will ensure he stays the coach for at least another two years, despite the fact that he will never lead GT basketball to a final four.

It's the same for Collins. Humans tend to be short-term, first-order thinkers, and want immediate satisfaction. You hope we beat KSU this Saturday. I hope, because I love all things Georgia Tech, that we lose every game, because, to put it bluntly, Collins a'int the guy. Imagine this: "Georgia Tech wins the ACC championship, beating Clemson... let's talk to head coach... Geoff Collins." Can you imagine it? I have a vivid imagination, but I can't. You're telling me that Collins will lead us to an ACC championship? How about a Natty? I know...it's ridiculous to even fathom, isn't it?

If you love the Ramblin' Wreck, you should want a winning coach to be at the helm. It's not Collins. But hey, as he said in his postgame presser, he made sure his players know that he appreciates them and loves them. Cool. I'm all for it. But they should first know how to play football, and they aren't learning how to improve their game from this group of coaches.

 

[DavidStandingBear]

Good analysis. but as a 3x and 3rd generation alumnus, CGC just turns me off. If he wins I can adjust, like with Dabo. But when he talks like that and loses, I’m not a fan. His problem, not mine

 

[SwarmingRound]

By the way, don't pretend that you actually miss the triple option under CPJ either. Great coach, but not in 50 years would Tech win a Natty with a triple option offense. 7-5 or 8-4 every year is just another way of saying "always mediocre." ... at least with a pro style offense you stand a chance, if you can recruit and actually coach them up.

 

[bobongo]

Well, OK put the math in an algebraic equation like a real Tech man and I will be convinced but there are only 130 Power 5 and G 5 teams ranked by CFN.

Went to Ugag, but I can do simple averages. #40 (the players) + 166 (coaching staff) = 206, and 206/2 = 103 (our rank).
So if there are only 130 P-5's...we're at best down into G-5 territory, coaching-wise.
And I suspect worse than that since we just managed to lose to a winless G-5 team, at home.

 

[stech81]

By the way, don't pretend that you actually miss the triple option under CPJ either. Great coach, but not in 50 years would Tech win a Natty with a triple option offense. 7-5 or 8-4 every year is just another way of saying "always mediocre." ... at least with a pro style offense you stand a chance, if you can recruit and actually coach them up.

And the last 3 words are the problem

 

[reckrider]

I’d like to see a a formation with Gibbs in the slot and Mason or Smith with the QB in the backfield, if wishes are allowed.

 

[year_of_the_swarm]

Second thought:

I want to engage those whose default disposition is to dive into the 'Fire CGC' conversation with CPJ lineage solutions who also have a history of engaging in a level-headed way (@AlabamaBuzz, @jgtengineer, among others). I'm not going to engage with anyone who wants to flame/snark on either end of the spectrum. Please understand I'm coming at this with an interest in understanding and not trying to disparage your preferences.

What about yesterday's result justifies going back to Monken, Bohannan, etc. today? We have better talent than NIU. Agree? We've improved recruiting under CGC. Agree?

With respect to losses to The Citadel, NIU, Syracuse, etc., I'd expect better results with any well-coached and executed scheme. Even more true as top 30 recruiting classes (and top 5 ACC) start to mature in the program. We should beat NIU, even when those recruits are still Frosh and a handful of Sophs.

My personal reaction to your posts is that you are "showing your true colors". I don't mean that negatively other than to call out my perception of biases misapplied to the situation. I think posts with 'Monken' and 'Bohannan' yesterday and today, post-NIU loss, ruin the argument's credibility by coming to the conversation with narrowly focused scheme-related suggestions. I've always remained open to at least thinking about those names, but because I'm seeing those posts today, those very posts are pushing me more toward believing folks have an infatuation with the offense and less so because of its fit at GT. For that reason I will likely carry that new bias forward when I see the same claims in the future.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the reason for those types of posts in this thread and I would appreciate your POV.

I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way.

"We have better talent than NIU. Agree?"
-CuseJacket

Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do.

"We've improved recruiting under CGC". Agree?"
-CuseJacket

Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB.

So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games.

"My personal reaction to your posts is that you are "showing your true colors". I don't mean that negatively other than to call out my perception of biases misapplied to the situation. I think posts with 'Monken' and 'Bohannan' yesterday and today, post-NIU loss, ruin the argument's credibility by coming to the conversation with narrowly focused scheme-related suggestions. I've always remained open to at least thinking about those names, but because I'm seeing those posts today, those very posts are pushing me more toward believing folks have an infatuation with the offense and less so because of its fit at GT. For that reason I will likely carry that new bias forward when I see the same claims in the future."
-CuseJacket

At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level.

Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass.

I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again...

1.) Don't join the herd
2.) Schedule for winning
3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them)
4.) Embrace your strengths
5.) Leave your ego at the door

I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen.

Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator.

Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc.

Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset.

If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating:
Pittsburgh at home
Boston College at home
Duke on the road
Virginia Tech at home

That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3.

That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start.

Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that.

 

[takethepoints]

I’d like to see a a formation with Gibbs in the slot and Mason or Smith with the QB in the backfield, if wishes are allowed.

Me too. Gibbs is the closest thing to a game breaking receiver we have on the team and he ought to be where he can get the ball in the open field more often. Of course, he's no slouch as an RB either …

 

[takethepoints]

I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way.



Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do.



Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB.

So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games.



At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level.

Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass.

I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again...

1.) Don't join the herd
2.) Schedule for winning
3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them)
4.) Embrace your strengths
5.) Leave your ego at the door

I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen.

Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator.

Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc.

Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset.

If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating:
Pittsburgh at home
Boston College at home
Duke on the road
Virginia Tech at home

That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3.

That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start.

Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that.

Preach it, brother. Problem = I doubt Moncken would leave Army if we offered. I think that ship has sailed.

Btw, I like the "herd" offense moniker. And I agree that a "herd" coach could win at Tech. I think a Bill Snyder offense would work just fine and we could recruit for it. But no Moneyball, no success, imho.

 

[BuzzThePlumber]

That’s it.

No

 

[Js-showman]

Whisenhunt would probably have been “more” conventional on offense. I suspect he’d have pulled in someone to coach a 3-4 defense like others he’s seen, but that’s total speculation. I think he’d have done better last season, but I’d wonder how high his ceiling would be.

How high is CGC's ceiling? Right now, a midget couldn't get under it.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

By the way, don't pretend that you actually miss the triple option under CPJ either. Great coach, but not in 50 years would Tech win a Natty with a triple option offense. 7-5 or 8-4 every year is just another way of saying "always mediocre." ... at least with a pro style offense you stand a chance, if you can recruit and actually coach them up.

I’ll take two shots of mediocre please.

 

[AlabamaBuzz]

I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way.



Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do.



Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB.

So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games.



At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level.

Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass.

I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again...

1.) Don't join the herd
2.) Schedule for winning
3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them)
4.) Embrace your strengths
5.) Leave your ego at the door

I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen.

Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator.

Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc.

Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset.

If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating:
Pittsburgh at home
Boston College at home
Duke on the road
Virginia Tech at home

That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3.

That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start.

Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that.

Really great post, but I especially think so many in our fanbase need to adhere to #5 in bold.

 

[DEJacket20]

I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way.



Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do.



Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB.

So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games.



At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level.

Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass.

I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again...

1.) Don't join the herd
2.) Schedule for winning
3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them)
4.) Embrace your strengths
5.) Leave your ego at the door

I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen.

Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator.

Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc.

Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset.

If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating:
Pittsburgh at home
Boston College at home
Duke on the road
Virginia Tech at home

That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3.

That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start.

Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that.

I don’t think playing 4 cupcakes you’re going to get close to a major bowl game or get fans excited about the team. I feel like a “herd” head coach brings a higher ceiling but also a much lower floor and we’re experiencing that. CGC might not be the guy, but he’s helped to push the state of the program in the right direction even if it hasn’t shown in the win column.

 

[RonJohn]

Really great post, but I especially think so many in our fanbase need to adhere to #5 in bold.

I haven't seen any issues with that item myself. I did go to GT, so maybe it just rolls right over me, but I haven't seen anyone talk negatively to anybody else regarding being an alumnus or not. I have seen people ask. If the answer is yes, it usually leads to a discussion about departments, classes, profs, Junior's Grill, etc. If the answer is no, it usually leads to a discussion about how the person became a GT fan. I haven't seen anyone being snobby or turn away. Maybe it happens everywhere in the stadium except for the areas I have sat in.

 

[RonJohn]

One other thing to make note of. Even though I have complained about some things, I still plan to attend all of the home games and I still plan to travel to South Bend in November. Just because I am unhappy with the state of the football program does not mean that I am not a fan.