MBB vs Pitt - 1/14

[AUFC]

You guys always forget that a coach who is excellent at X’s and O’s has better opportunities waiting for him than Georgia Tech. Nobody wants this job until things fundamentally change, point blank. Would you take a job where everyone tells you that you’re getting PIP’d down the line?

 

[Connell62]

We have "enough" money , our problem is coaching and talent evaluation. There are more than enough good players to field a highly competitive and competing team with our budget. We just have bad players and a bad coach. Pretty simple

Wrong

 

[PearidgeRambler]

This program is embarrassing. It's real sad to see talent/money being wasted. There are times I feel sorry for the guys. The thought that keeps popping up is that the whole thing resembles a little league team. You know the one where the coach is giving them hell, and the kids walk around demoralized, heads down. You know the other team/coach are like, "we ain't gonna lose to this team".

To me, the actions and demeaner of CDS come off as negative, and his team shows it. They look defeated very early in ball games.
Now, I'm not saying he needs to kiss their *** and whisper sweet nothings in their ear, but the difference between Tech's energy and the teams they play are night and day. Ever notice how when Tech players huddle on the court, no one is taking lead? No one looks like "we got this". If someone does, the others usually come across as not listening or giving a ****. Why is that? It's as if they know they don't have a plan to fix the problem. No one seems to be relaxed, nor confident.
1-7 for the month of Jan is looking real. That would be a 7-game losing streak, if so.
At what point does CDS look hard at himself and realize his square ain't fitting in this circle? I mean damn, Tech fans aren't asking much. Just give us a team that is competitive and has a chance to win at the end. Not this crap.

I'll still grab a bag of popcorn and watch this wreck, but damn my neck is hurting. Go Jackets!

 

[Peacone36]

I think we have good players. I said before the season that I wasn’t sold on CDS one way or the other, I am now. This team has talent, I know many respected posters here disagree with that but if you give this roster to 30 coaches around the country we are bubblelicious.

 

[YlJacket]

Last night and the last several games results were not due to money in the program. The product right now just sucks.

Doesn't mean we don't need more money if we want to compete for the top of the ACC, but money in the program was not why we lost to Pitt by 20+

 

[kg01]

Wrong

Its like people can't have a nuanced conversation. They just stop at, 'we need ta fire tha coach'.

Yes, CDS deserves criticism. But simply changing the coach is not the solution people think it is.

 

[Vinotx]

Wrong

Wow , great comment. Your amazing insight is noted

 

[awbuzz]

These were two teams desperate for a win with only one of them actually coming out desperately.

They just aren't good enough to come out soft and expect to exchange baskets and win the game. I can stand them missing shots, but not that they are constantly out of position for rebounds and constantly let their opponents shoot uncontested threes. Their defensive posture needs to improve and force more turnovers to help negate the fact that they continue to turn the ball over at an alarming rate.

I didn't think that Pitt was that good tonight, but they were the more desperate team, and it paid off for them.

I understand what you're saying, I don't know if I would say desperate though. They were definitely the well better prepared team for sure.

 

[Peacone36]

Its like people can't have a nuanced conversation. They just stop at, 'we need ta fire tha coach'.

Yes, CDS deserves criticism. But simply changing the coach is not the solution people think it is.

The first thing that happens is the entire team transfers. So now it’s new coach, no players, limited funds, competing to put an ACC level roster together. When the new guy wins 7-12 games in his first season, do we fire him immediately as well?

I once coveted change and heads rolling regardless of what the path forward entailed. But there are more considerations to be taken.

Sincerely,
Robespierre

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Guys, I’m fully willing to be convinced that CDS is the sole source of our problems but I haven’t seen much about our program change since the Hewitt buyout. Is there something I’m missing? The evidence so far points to a larger systemic issue even if CDS is failing.

CDS seemed like the perfect bargain basement (since that’s where we’ve shopped for sometime) hire at the time as a head coach. Players like him, he’s had great experience as a player, being mentored by some of the best and good experience as a coach, all with NBA vibes and knowledge. If that turns out to have been a false take then I wonder which bargain basement hire we go after next. And do we want another buyout?

 

[Peacone36]

Guys, I’m fully willing to be convinced that CDS is the sole source of our problems but I haven’t seen much about our program change since the Hewitt buyout. Is there something I’m missing? The evidence so far points to a larger systemic issue even if CDS is failing.

CDS seemed like the perfect bargain basement (since that’s where we’ve shopped for sometime) hire at the time as a head coach. Players like him, he’s had great experience as a player, being mentored by some of the best and good experience as a coach, all with NBA vibes and knowledge. If that turns out to have been a false take then I wonder which bargain basement hire we go after next. And do we want another buyout?

Why not? We have shown in the last couple days we can afford it. Oh wait, wrong ball.

 

[YlJacket]

Reality is we are already on a path to a new/mostly new roster next year regardless of who is coaching. I am hoping a couple of young uns want to stay but that is There is obviously a disconnect between CDS and the players for whatever reason. Albert has to figure out why / whether it is fixable / and if so what does he do to get it fixed recognizing it almost certainly won't be fixed this year. From his perspective he cannot allow this kind of performance to extend into next year.

 

[GTNavyNuke]

Its like people can't have a nuanced conversation. They just stop at, 'we need ta fire tha coach'.

Yes, CDS deserves criticism. But simply changing the coach is not the solution people think it is.

If changing the coach was the solution, we would have fixed football's defensive problem and baseball's pitching problem many times over.

 

[gte447f]

Its like people can't have a nuanced conversation. They just stop at, 'we need ta fire tha coach'.

Yes, CDS deserves criticism. But simply changing the coach is not the solution people think it is.

I’ll agree and take it a step further and say that CDS not only deserves some criticism but probably does indeed deserve to get fired based on the team’s performance thus far. Certainly, if the current level continues for the rest of the season or even if it improves only marginally, then I think he will deserve to be fired. That doesn’t mean he should be fired. If nothing else changes, even if his performance merits him being fired, that doesn’t mean firing him will necessarily improve the program, so firing him could still be viewed as futile or even detrimental.

P.s although I’m not enamored with any of our current players, I do think there are probably numerous coaches who could have them looking much better than they have looked under CDS. Whether any such coaches could be persuaded to coach at GT is another story. I just mention it to make the point that I don’t think CDS is meeting the standard that he should be.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I’ll agree and take it a step further and say that CDS not only deserves some criticism but probably does indeed deserve to get fired based on the team’s performance thus far. Certainly, if the current level continues for the rest of the season or even if it improves only marginally, then I think he will deserve to be fired. That doesn’t mean he should be fired. If nothing else changes, even if his performance merits him being fired, that doesn’t mean firing him will necessarily improve the program, so firing him could still be viewed as futile or even detrimental.

P.s although I’m not enamored with any of our current players, I do think there are probably numerous coaches who could have them looking much better than they have looked under CDS. Whether any such coaches could be persuaded to coach at GT is another story. I just mention it to make the point that I don’t think CDS is meeting the standard that he should be.

I think this is fair. The program is not in a good place. CDS deserves some of the blame. Ordinarily, firing might be warranted. But that is not a solution for a long standing core problem. I don’t know of a solution that doesn’t first involve a sugar daddy with very large and deep pockets.

I said last year that if Tech continues to flounder Stodamire is too much of a competitor to keep losing. I don’t think he would be content to be a coach of a chronically losing team. Therein may lie the seeds of a solution.

 

[BuzzBy]

Reality is we are already on a path to a new/mostly new roster next year regardless of who is coaching. I am hoping a couple of young uns want to stay but that is There is obviously a disconnect between CDS and the players for whatever reason. Albert has to figure out why / whether it is fixable / and if so what does he do to get it fixed recognizing it almost certainly won't be fixed this year. From his perspective he cannot allow this kind of performance to extend into next year.

Sure we can. The fan base has been down to either the diehards or the sadists for some time. What's one more year or two as we ride out this contract.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

I think this is fair. The program is not in a good place. CDS deserves some of the blame. Ordinarily, firing might be warranted. But that is not a solution for a long standing core problem. I don’t know of a solution that doesn’t first involve a sugar daddy with very large and deep pockets.

I said last year that if Tech continues to flounder Stodamire is too much of a competitor to keep losing. I don’t think he would be content to be a coach of a chronically losing team. Therein may lie the seeds of a solution.

Being a competitor as a player and being a competitor as a coach are often different, although each wants to win. Damon played on winning teams in high school, college and sometimes in the pros. he has been head coach for 7.5 years with one winning season at two colleges. He is now below the sports reference.com mathematical simple rating system score of his one winning season at Pacific. His closest Tech career win year was last year with a tie 17-17, so maybe he can win more games this year to show improvement and stack two winning seasons together. Measured improvement probably was part of incentives in his five-year contract.

American educational psychologist Lee Shulman, would suggest, "Those who can, do; those who understand, teach," implying teaching is a sophisticated skill of transforming knowledge for others, a higher level of understanding. Damon has proven he can do/play, yet consistent evidence as a winning college coach is pending.

The question is "does he have the ability to transform his basketball knowledge to the each of the 14 members of the team and five assistant coaches to fulfill their roles in his teams' winning?" If not a complete set of knowledge, does he have assistants that can teach and does he let them teach their knowledge?

Currently Damon's highest SRS score has him as having the 38th highest rated season in Tech's 107 seasons. All Tech coaches since 1952 have at least one season ahead of him in single season SRS scores. The SRS score can be increased by winning games with maximum team effort and point spread against peer or better teams. The NET ratings are tracking a similar path, with a 22 point slide down to 162 from 144 after the Pitt game. Pitt improved from 111 to 101. Ever how confusing, the NCAA tournament committee uses uses NET for selections.

 

[tdb]

I'm afraid we hit rock bottom tonight. This isn't the team that played Duke a few weeks ago. There's a problem that seems to be lack of coaching on defense and offense. Spotting a team 10 points like we have in the beginning of the last two games keeps us climbing uphill. It's like we haven't scouted the opponents and we keep trying to adjust, trying any combination of players. There is a lot of talent on the court for Tech, but it's a little late to be finding the right combination. I like these guys and it's difficult to watch them struggle as a team. I hope we can adjust before the end of the season.

Not rock bottom yet, but it's feeling bad relative to where we've been in recent years.

2009 (2-14 ACC), 1981 (0-14 ACC), etc. were worse.

 

[alagold]

Sad.I was watching the college scores on TV and all were 10 or less in point difference and we come in at 23 AT HOME. Very sad.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Being a competitor as a player and being a competitor as a coach are often different, although each wants to win. Damon played on winning teams in high school, college and sometimes in the pros. he has been head coach for 7.5 years with one winning season at two colleges. He is now below the sports reference.com mathematical simple rating system score of his one winning season at Pacific. His closest Tech career win year was last year with a tie 17-17, so maybe he can win more games this year to show improvement and stack two winning seasons together. Measured improvement probably was part of incentives in his five-year contract.

American educational psychologist Lee Shulman, would suggest, "Those who can, do; those who understand, teach," implying teaching is a sophisticated skill of transforming knowledge for others, a higher level of understanding. Damon has proven he can do/play, yet consistent evidence as a winning college coach is pending.

The question is "does he have the ability to transform his basketball knowledge to the each of the 14 members of the team and five assistant coaches to fulfill their roles in his teams' winning?" If not a complete set of knowledge, does he have assistants that can teach and does he let them teach their knowledge?

Currently Damon's highest SRS score has him as having the 38th highest rated season in Tech's 107 seasons. All Tech coaches since 1952 have at least one season ahead of him in single season SRS scores. The SRS score can be increased by winning games with maximum team effort and point spread against peer or better teams. The NET ratings are tracking a similar path, with a 22 point slide down to 162 from 144 after the Pitt game. Pitt improved from 111 to 101. Ever how confusing, the NCAA tournament committee uses uses NET for selections.

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This is helpful. Just to be clear about what I was delicately trying to intimate, CDS would probably resign rather than continue to run down his reputation as a competitor.