Just something interesting I noticed watching an old Navy Video.

[jgtengineer]

This is from 1996 when CPJ was the OC at navy, he had a QB that was a pretty big throwing specialist on that team, but this formation is something i'd like to see us add in.

he stacks both a backs behind one of the receivers brings one in motion then has a few play concepts off it, it wouldn't be to hard to also ad an rpo off this formation to motion receiver using the B Back.

Now due to the crack rules you wouldn't want to run our veer off of this, but you could run double option to the backside if the defense over commits to the pass strength.

 

[awbuzz]

For a company started in 1994, that is a long commercial with no mention of coming to the store to buy at "Old Navy".
(... okay, not as whimsical I it was in my head when I read old Navy in the title... )

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed seeing some new wrinkles in the TO. Maybe this year for GT ??

 

[Skeptic]

Is that not just the basic "trips" formation Johnson has used at Tech. Remember FSU early on, a wild scoring contest that resulted in Tech lining up trips most of the game.

 

[Techster]

CPJ did some unique things at Hawaii as well.

 

[Skeptic]

CPJ did some unique things at Hawaii as well.

Yes, he did. All a function of the head ball coach's philosophy, and Junes Jones said chuck it. A lot.

 

[ilovetheoption]

Yes, he did. All a function of the head ball coach's philosophy, and Junes Jones said chuck it. A lot.

They weren't there at the same time

 

[buzzed]

The narrative that Johnson is so unwilling to mix it up and try different things is completely false. But the local media, who clearly never bother to watch a single snap of our games, keeps repeating it, so it must be true.

 

[Coloradojacket]

I watched the whole game and what was interesting that on the TO plays he had the B-back hitting more outside that just through the A gap. He used to do this with Dwyer as well. By the way this 1996 Navy team beat us and kept us out of a bowl.

 

[ilovetheoption]

I watched the whole game and what was interesting that on the TO plays he had the B-back hitting more outside that just through the A gap. He used to do this with Dwyer as well. By the way this 1996 Navy team beat us and kept us out of a bowl.

A traditional veer Path is off guard.

 

[jgtengineer]

I watched the whole game and what was interesting that on the TO plays he had the B-back hitting more outside that just through the A gap. He used to do this with Dwyer as well. By the way this 1996 Navy team beat us and kept us out of a bowl.

We have been running a lot of midline triple lateley because of the inverted diamond lb formation basically they are giving the midline 6 yards

 

[jgtengineer]

Is that not just the basic "trips" formation Johnson has used at Tech. Remember FSU early on, a wild scoring contest that resulted in Tech lining up trips most of the game.

The trips we use has the a back lined ☝ i .The slot and an aback to that side this one is stacking them

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

I also heard mention that Navy had given up a 100 yd KO return earlier in this game . But when the game was on the line they recovered a fumble , drove the field for a go ahead TD , and stuffed Cal's last chance with a sack. Well played.

 

[Skeptic]

They weren't there at the same time

You are right. I actually looked something up and a fellow named Bob Wagner was the head coach and Jones was later. Here's my question: since legend has it that Johnson developed his spread option under Erk Russell at GSU, do you know if that passing he did at Hawaii was Wagner's offense, or his before he came to the run first philosophy?

 

[ilovetheoption]

You are right. I actually looked something up and a fellow named Bob Wagner was the head coach and Jones was later. Here's my question: since legend has it that Johnson developed his spread option under Erk Russell at GSU, do you know if that passing he did at Hawaii was Wagner's offense, or his before he came to the run first philosophy?

I think it was a matter of horses. The oft-repeated story is that Johnson's offense, counter-intuitively, is actually an offspring of the run-and-shoot, rather than the wishbone. All the passing is native to the offense, the option stuff is actually a later addition.

When he got to Hawaii he had a quarterback who could really sling the ball and couldn't run the option to save his life, so they ran the run-and-shoot stuff while he recruited to a more run-heavy offense.

 

[swampsting]

When PJ was OC at GSU, his QB went for 400 plus and 306 passing in back to back NC games
Erk turned the offense over to PJ completely. Erk was a defensive guy. He let Paul run the O without a lot of suggestions

 

[1939hotmagic]

The "triple stack" of receivers -- here's a good column about the Aloha Bowl and Navy's win: http://archives.starbulletin.com/96/12/31/sports/kwon.html

Way back, when Mississippi Valley was putting up arcade numbers of passing yardage at the 1-AA level thanks to the presence of some kid named Jerry Rice, a good quarterback, and a coach named Archie "Gunslinger" Cooley who often used five receivers, occasionally Cooley would have them in the "Satellite Express" formation with a quad stack of receivers on one side, and Rice alone on the other, pretty much forcing the defense to pick their poison for coverage. And MVSU did this with the QB under center.
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/04/archie-cooley-jerry-rice-and-satellite.html

This is from 1996 when CPJ was the OC at navy, he had a QB that was a pretty big throwing specialist on that team, but this formation is something i'd like to see us add in.

he stacks both a backs behind one of the receivers brings one in motion then has a few play concepts off it, it wouldn't be to hard to also ad an rpo off this formation to motion receiver using the B Back.

Now due to the crack rules you wouldn't want to run our veer off of this, but you could run double option to the backside if the defense over commits to the pass strength.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Many just want to complain and plea for more passing, more passing. Regardless of what our personnel might dictate scheme wise.

 

[Coloradojacket]

Many just want to complain and plea for more passing, more passing. Regardless of what our personnel might dictate scheme wise.

I just ask for 15 passes per game and complete 10. But as I have said many times and will add, the pitch on an option and in fact our rocket toss are really just short passes, like a bubble screen.

 

[Techster]

I just ask for 15 passes per game and complete 10. But as I have said many times and will add, the pitch on an option and in fact our rocket toss are really just short passes, like a bubble screen.

I make no bones about, I LOVE passing attacks. I played in a Wing-T offense in HS, so I guess it's a case of you want what you don't have. Even then, we still passed the ball 15-20 times a game. It also helped that we had good QBs go through our program.

That said, I still don't mind the 7/11 170yds 3 TD stat lines we often have when our passing game is on. Our best games always seem to be the ones where we pass like 8-12 times, but have like a 20 yard per attempt average.