Is this targeting?

[kg01]

We've been patiently awaiting your dogged defense of the officials....

 

[ThatGuy]

Folks, I agree that the officiating was horrible yesterday. However, after reading through this entire thread, I feel compelled to call out 3 things:

1 - We still had multiple opportunities to win the game. If any of 14 different plays had gone differently, we would have won. We unfortunately didn't pull those out. And that sucks. The refs were a factor, but not the deciding factor.

2 - We still had multiple opportunities to win the game. Two years ago, going into COFH in the wake of TFG's exit, I had hope - but no real expectation of competing. The years before, I threw in the towel before the game began based on the rest of the season. This was the era when a uGA lineman famously looked at one of our players and said "Man - you guys are so unprepared."

This year, I was cautiously optimistic. I knew we had an uphill battle with how dinged up we were - but I knew no matter what, these coaches would put together a solid game plan, and the team would fight as hard as they had it in them. And all those things were confirmed last night. Coach Key is one tough MFer - and this is his team. He found his perfect QB in Haynes King, and led by example to shape the rest of the team with a mindset of toughness. And we came within 1 play of knocking off our 3rd top 10-ranked team this season. I hate it that we didn't win. But I think we were obviously the better team on the field yesterday.

3 - WRT some of the people's conspiracy theories, I don't think there's a grand conspiracy to get ABC or ESPN more playoff revenue by having uGA in the playoffs. I do remember when the SEC suspended the COFH refs after the Jasper Sanks fumble, sending the message that "You call it for the SEC, or you don't get to ref the SEC Championship Game." But I think that was more in the back of the refs' minds than at the top of their motivation. I think we would all do well to remember Hanlon's Razor: "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance." The refs were bad at their jobs. They weren't part of a grand conspiracy.

Regardless, Coach Key pointed out at the start of the season that we had learned to not lose, then we had learned to win, and now we needed to learn to win consistently. We obviously didn't do that by the middle of this year. But I think the lessons learned in service of that goal this year are going to carry us forward. We'll get there, and we'll get there sooner than later. I'm marking my calendar for next year's game, and will likely bring my family out from CO to watch us take out the Dwags in MBS. (Although it remains to be seen if our ACC refs will be more or less inept than the SEC refs from last night. Still, I think next year we'll beat them, too).

 

[stinger78]

Folks, I agree that the officiating was horrible yesterday. However, after reading through this entire thread, I feel compelled to call out 3 things:

1 - We still had multiple opportunities to win the game. If any of 14 different plays had gone differently, we would have won. We unfortunately didn't pull those out. And that sucks. The refs were a factor, but not the deciding factor.

2 - We still had multiple opportunities to win the game. Two years ago, going into COFH in the wake of TFG's exit, I had hope - but no real expectation of competing. The years before, I threw in the towel before the game began based on the rest of the season. This was the era when a uGA lineman famously looked at one of our players and said "Man - you guys are so unprepared."

This year, I was cautiously optimistic. I knew we had an uphill battle with how dinged up we were - but I knew no matter what, these coaches would put together a solid game plan, and the team would fight as hard as they had it in them. And all those things were confirmed last night. Coach Key is one tough MFer - and this is his team. He found his perfect QB in Haynes King, and led by example to shape the rest of the team with a mindset of toughness. And we came within 1 play of knocking off our 3rd top 10-ranked team this season. I hate it that we didn't win. But I think we were obviously the better team on the field yesterday.

3 - WRT some of the people's conspiracy theories, I don't think there's a grand conspiracy to get ABC or ESPN more playoff revenue by having uGA in the playoffs. I do remember when the SEC suspended the COFH refs after the Jasper Sanks fumble, sending the message that "You call it for the SEC, or you don't get to ref the SEC Championship Game." But I think that was more in the back of the refs' minds than at the top of their motivation. I think we would all do well to remember Hanlon's Razor: "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance." The refs were bad at their jobs. They weren't part of a grand conspiracy.

Regardless, Coach Key pointed out at the start of the season that we had learned to not lose, then we had learned to win, and now we needed to learn to win consistently. We obviously didn't do that by the middle of this year. But I think the lessons learned in service of that goal this year are going to carry us forward. We'll get there, and we'll get there sooner than later. I'm marking my calendar for next year's game, and will likely bring my family out from CO to watch us take out the Dwags in MBS. (Although it remains to be seen if our ACC refs will be more or less inept than the SEC refs from last night. Still, I think next year we'll beat them, too).

Your first two are factual, and I agree. We still had opportunity to win, we blew those, and the progress is evident.

Your last point is conjecture and we disagree. There is clear evidence, at least to me, that this is not simply incompetence. It is too regular and too one-sided not to be coordinated, IMPO.

However, it is what it is. It cannot be changed.

 

[Bogey]

I’ve looked at rules again for both targeting and spear tackling and what we saw in the game had to be either one or the other. It could not be neither. I hate to cry over spilt milk but it would be easier to accept this loss if I did not know the refs threw the game to uga. When I say “threw” I am not suggesting intention or rigging, I’m just describing the actual end result of this egregious no call.

When I first played football, more years ago than I care to mention, they actually taught spear tackling as proper technique. The theory was that spear tackling accomplish several things at once. It saved you from injuring one of your arms if you were off center and the ball carrier put most of his impact on one arm. They believed it saved you from neck injury by aligning your neck, head, and spine in one line. It focused as much energy as possible through the top of your helmet and into the middle of the runner’s body. The tackle I reviewed on tape was textbook spearing, which is illegal. It also appeared, though this is not as conclusive, that he aimed at the neck area of the runner. This also makes it targeting if that is the case.

It was close enough to the neck/ head area to warrant review. It was missed or overlooked by the on field officials and definitely overlooked by the replay officials in the review booth who have responsibility to also call reviews for targeting when missed by the on field officials. Watching the replay, King's head plainly snapped back upon impact by Jackson's hit by the crown of his helmet and would have confirmed a targeting call in front of the whole TV audience. This indicates to me, along with the missed/no review/ tipped ball DPI and the missed holding call late in the game, that the end result was rigged. I have no interest in watching rigged sporting events
Golf matches, where fair play is a matter of integrity, are the one sport I know that matches are not rigged in some manner.

 

[Root4GT]

We've been patiently awaiting your dogged defense of the officials....

Fans of all teams blame the officials. They never comment on the plays the officials call/don’t call that favor GT or their team.

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

 

[1979jacket]

The play was reviewed. The ref came on after the TV TO and said the ruling of a Georgia recovery stands. The defender put his helmet into the ball. That is legal. Tough break for GT and it turned the game.

Put his helmet on the ball? I don't see that. I see he put his helmet on our QB's helmet but ok.

 

[bobongo]

It was close enough to the neck/ head area to warrant review. It was missed or overlooked by the on field officials and definitely overlooked by the replay officials in the review booth who have responsibility to also call reviews for targeting when missed by the on field officials. Watching the replay, King's head plainly snapped back upon impact by Jackson's hit by the crown of his helmet and would have confirmed a targeting call in front of the whole TV audience. This indicates to me, along with the missed/no review/ tipped ball DPI and the missed holding call late in the game, that the end result was rigged. I have no interest in watching rigged sporting events
Golf matches, where fair play is a matter of integrity, are the one sport I know that matches are not rigged in some manner.

I have a stupid question. I know it's probably stupid, but I'll ask anyway - If targeting had been called, would that have negated the fumble?

 

[jzgt22]

Fans of all teams blame the officials. They never comment on the plays the officials call/don’t call that favor GT or their team.

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

At least that was reviewed for targeting...

 

[Root4GT]

I have a stupid question. I know it's probably stupid, but I'll ask anyway - If targeting had been called, would that have negated the fumble?

Yes

 

[bobongo]

Yes

Thanks.

 

[stinger78]

It was close enough to the neck/ head area to warrant review. It was missed or overlooked by the on field officials and definitely overlooked by the replay officials in the review booth who have responsibility to also call reviews for targeting when missed by the on field officials. Watching the replay, King's head plainly snapped back upon impact by Jackson's hit by the crown of his helmet and would have confirmed a targeting call in front of the whole TV audience. This indicates to me, along with the missed/no review/ tipped ball DPI and the missed holding call late in the game, that the end result was rigged. I have no interest in watching rigged sporting events
Golf matches, where fair play is a matter of integrity, are the one sport I know that matches are not rigged in some manner.

It doesn’t need to be head/neck if the attacker uses the crown of the helmet, nor must the recipient be defenseless. What happened last night was textbook targeting.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

You mean the one where he was penalized and the refs overturned it after review? That seems like just the kind of process that didn't happen last night.

 

[Bogey]

It doesn’t need to be head/neck if the attacker uses the crown of the helmet, nor must the recipient be defenseless. What happened last night was textbook targeting.

If the head snaps back on impact, physics tells you he had head to head contact, even if you do not have a clear shot of exactly where contact was made. And I have not seen a clear shot indicating the point of impact is why I mentioned that point.

 

[stinger78]

If the head snaps back on impact, physics tells you he had head to head contact, even if you do not have a clear shot of exactly where contact was made. And I have not seen a clear shot indicating the point of impact is why I mentioned that point.

Yes, King’s head snapped back, but we also saw the tackler hit with the crown in the area of the face mask. It was as clear a targeting as I’ve ever seen.

 

[Root4GT]

You mean the one where he was penalized and the refs overturned it after review? That seems like just the kind of process that didn't happen last night.

A review would have been nice. Still it 100% looked like Efford Targeted last week. I have doubts a review would have done anything. Targeting calls are so inconsistent it’s nuts to try and predict if it is/is not Targeting.

 

[THWG]

Fans of all teams blame the officials. They never comment on the plays the officials call/don’t call that favor GT or their team.

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

Efford hit the ball carrier with the side of his helmet and not the crown which is why that one was overturned. They even said that on the broadcast. Jackson launched with the crown of his helmet.

 

[Bogey]

Yes, King’s head snapped back, but we also saw the tackler hit with the crown in the area of the face mask. It was as clear a targeting as I’ve ever seen.

We both agree on that for sure. I also read where King said contact was made on the ball, not his face mask, causing the fumble, which is not true. He was carrying the ball much lower than his head and the head snap proves he was hit in the head area and not the ball.

 

[Techcaster572]

Per Chat GPT....


A reasonable estimate for ABC’s potential loss if the University of Georgia (UGA) didn't make the College Football Playoff might range between $10 million and $20 million. Here's how this is calculated:

1. Advertising Revenue Per Game:
Each College Football Playoff game generates significant ad revenue, often around $20 million to $30 million. If UGA's absence leads to a viewership drop of 10-20% (typical for losing a marquee team), ad rates and revenue could decline proportionally. This would amount to $2 million to $6 million per game for two semifinal games and the championship.


2. Additional Losses:

Merchandising and Sponsorship: Reduced fan engagement could mean lower merchandise sales and weaker sponsor activations tied to the event, potentially a $3 million to $5 million impact.

Ancillary Programming: Pre- and post-game shows, which also sell ad slots, would see lower revenues, possibly adding another $1 million to $2 million in losses.



3. Overall Impact:
Combining these, the total financial hit could be in the $10-$20 million range, depending on the extent of the viewership decline and associated revenues tied to UGA’s pa
rticipation.

This right here is what it has always been about....$$$$$ Period. End of Story.

If you think SECheat refs are impartial, I'll take whatever you are having.

Just look at the NFL in the Chiefs.

As 33 jacket said, no matter how you feel about the targeting rule, what d jackson did was lead with the crown of his helmet and hit King in his helmet. At worst, it's a spear but no matter a penalty should've been called or a targeting call made.

How the refs didn't see the facemask holding penalty on 2nd and 9 on their last td by their olineman is either due to complete incompetence or it was intentional. Watching it live, i was screaming at the tv. How in the world can a dlineman get past the oline and momentum heading towards the qb only to be pulled backwards....I mean come on. It would've been 2nd and 19.

The pi call was egregious imo but not cause it was tipped or not. Doesn't seem clear to me but the call should've never been made as the cb made a play on the ball.

Bad calls are a part of the game. Sure. But it isn't interesting that the bad calls almost always tend to favor the team that benefits the sport, vegas, and tv networks the most (Money, power, etc).

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see these things.

Desmond Howard said on gameday this morning "That is the classic definition of targeting" ESECPN stopped talking about the game after that to move on to Saturday's games. Intentional or not....they didn't discuss the targeting that Desmond brought up. IJS

Yes we failed to overcome these horrible calls (intentional or not) by only putting up 3 pts with three possessions inside their red zone in the first half, missing the chip shot fg, going into prevent defense up 14 with 4:52 to play.

You better leave NO DOUBT next year if in this same position. Up 14. Go up by 21 & 28 on the next two possessions.

I'm not upset at Tech. I'm hurt for the players that played their hearts out only to cheated out of a win which they deserved as they absolutely dominated uga...

I heard Kirby say we schemed for Haynes not to be able to throw the ball and tech moved the ball the way they did. Garbage. You were dominated frat boy. Same thing happened last year. You were just trying to appease your sorry fan base.

Proud of the boys! Congratulations on a tremendous game.

Will agree with others on Key crying in the embrace of Kirbs.....didn't like that look AT ALL!

 

[davesbrain]

Targeting has become footballs version of the referee multipurpose "conjure call" like what we see in a WWE scripted event. The ncaa needs to take refs away from conferences, because I think secheat has compromised the game

 

[Techcaster572]

Targeting has become footballs version of the referee multipurpose "conjure call" like what we see in a WWE scripted event. The ncaa needs to take refs away from conferences, because I think secheat has compromised the game

Dave,

I agree with you.
In no way possible should a conference team hosting a game should be allowed to have their conference referees for the game.

That is a recipe for chicanery.