Interesting Turnover Stats

[Longestday]

2014 takeaways 2.2 per game
2015 1.3
2016 1.6
2017 0.7
2018 takeaways 2.1 per game

2014 giveaways 1.4 per game
2015 2.1
2016 1.1
2017 1.5
2018 giveaways 1.5 per game

 

[ibeattetris]

I just wish the turnovers weren't so concentrated.

If we have a turnover or two in Louisville game it doesnt make a difference. Take away one or two from Pitt and it's a win.

 

[Longestday]

To add color scoring

Offense
2014 37.8
2015 25.6
2016 27.7
2017 27.2
2018 38.5 (last thee games 33.7)

Defense
2014 26.2
2015 27.5
2016 25.7
2017 28.2
2018 31.8 (last three games 28.0)

 

[Eli]

2014 we had several guys on offense who could win us a close game. Players to lean on when things went bad. JT for example against va tech, ga southern and uga. With all do respect to Taqon he doesn't have the IT factor in a big game.

 

[SteamWhistle]

Seems like we turn it over at the worst time and create turn overs at the worst time. Very rare we get turnovers on 3rd and Long, Very Often we caught it up on 1st and 10 opponents side of the 50.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Amazing isn't it. Very similar stats to our 11 win season in 2014. We are within 8 total yards per game (passing/rushing combined) of having the top offense all time under CPJs 11 year tenure.

This year we've been stung by the feast or famine - we either win by 4 scores or we barely lose a close game (exception Clemson). In 2014, we pulled out a ton of close games.
* We had to come from behind late to barely beat Georgia Southern.
* We had to come from behind late to barely beat Virginia Tech.
* We got 5 turnovers in the first 7 minutes against Pitt to start 28-0. The last 53 minutes of the game was tied 28-28.
* Deshaun Watson went out injured in the 1st quarter.
* The Kick and the Pick to come from behind late to barely beat Georgia.

* We were 13 points from being undefeated in 2014.
* With similar stats, we almost set CPJs house on fire a few weeks ago.

 

[Gtech50]

Amazing isn't it. Very similar stats to our 11 win season in 2014. We are within 8 total yards per game (passing/rushing combined) of having the top offense all time under CPJs 11 year tenure.

This year we've been stung by the feast or famine - we either win by 4 scores or we barely lose a close game (exception Clemson). In 2014, we pulled out a ton of close games.
* We had to come from behind late to barely beat Georgia Southern.
* We had to come from behind late to barely beat Virginia Tech.
* We got 5 turnovers in the first 7 minutes against Pitt to start 28-0. The last 53 minutes of the game was tied 28-28.
* Deshaun Watson went out injured in the 1st quarter.
* The Kick and the Pick to come from behind late to barely beat Georgia.

* We were 13 points from being undefeated in 2014.
* With similar stats, we almost set CPJs house on fire a few weeks ago.

As great as 2014 was, we just as easily could have been a 7 win team if we lost all those close games. Then last year we could have won 10 games if all the close games went our way. The margin of error is so small for us, and it feels like any season could be like 2014 or 2015 (or anywhere in between) depending on our luck. I am cautiously confident about the next couple of years though, considering the young talent we have.

 

[AE 87]

As great as 2014 was, we just as easily could have been a 7 win team if we lost all those close games. Then last year we could have won 10 games if all the close games went our way. The margin of error is so small for us, and it feels like any season could be like 2014 or 2015 (or anywhere in between) depending on our luck. I am cautiously confident about the next couple of years though, considering the young talent we have.

This is what gets me about the guys who only look at W-L to assess the program. I guess they think that if we just find the right coach we'd become Alabama.

A corollary of this problem which your post highlights is that when we have good years, we win close games, often because we were successful on 4th down conversions in key drives. Whinging about failing to convert a 4th down, whether a fake punt or not, often ignores this point.

For us to be successful, we need to not turn the ball over and play more aggressively than most.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

This is what gets me about the guys who only look at W-L to assess the program. I guess they think that if we just find the right coach we'd become Alabama.

A corollary of this problem which your post highlights is that when we have good years, we win close games, often because we were successful on 4th down conversions in key drives. Whinging about failing to convert a 4th down, whether a fake punt or not, often ignores this point.

For us to be successful, we need to not turn the ball over and play more aggressively than most.

Yea, some people crap all over last year. We had double digit leads in every game but 2. We were competitive. That’s a reason to make changes, but not to burn the house down and rebuild.

 

[takethepoints]

I think that when you win 11 or 12 games these days (except for Bammer) you are talking about your share of bum luck.

If this season has shown us anything, it is that all that stuff about parity is true. I just checked the AP rankings for this week and pre-season. 10 of the pre-season top 25 are not around this week. 10 of the teams in the top 25 this week weren't listed in the pre-season top 25. Teams nobody expected to do anything are all of a sudden world beaters. I've watched some of the teams in both groups and the games are almost always close. Our season last year, a pitch and a catch away for being undefeated going into the Clemson game, is a fine example.

What I'm saying is that winning close games and having a good season as a result isn't a Tech thing. Everybody - with a couple of exceptions and who knows how long they'll last - is in the same boat these days.

 

[slugboy]

To add color scoring

Offense
2014 37.8
2015 25.6
2016 27.7
2017 27.2
2018 38.5 (last thee games 33.7)

Defense
2014 26.2
2015 27.5
2016 25.7
2017 28.2
2018 31.8 (last three games 28.0)

Do the offense stats include defensive scores, and do the defense stats include special teams and turnovers for scores?

 

[JorgeJonas]

The idea that we won all the close games in 2014 is not reality. We were 3-3 in one score games.

 

[iceeater1969]

Fumbles -
After Duke in the "do or die" VT game we had 0 fumbles. I watched the replay and the backs had 2 hands on the ball . They got 8 yards instead of 10!

In the " battle to show will UNC on the bottom the coastal" the same tenacity to use two hands was greatly reduced. Also unc s MLB 36 was a tackling/ turn over machine. We had 3 turnovers.

Seems like the message only lasts one game. Two hands on the ball near the line of scrimmage!

 

[AE 87]

To add color scoring

Offense
2014 37.8
2015 25.6
2016 27.7
2017 27.2
2018 38.5 (last thee games 33.7)

Defense
2014 26.2
2015 27.5
2016 25.7
2017 28.2
2018 31.8 (last three games 28.0)

Obviously, the last 4 games weren't the most formidable defenses, but it's an interesting comparison.

 

[Longestday]

My stats adds all scores... @AE 87 is your stats defense only or all scores?

 

[tech_wreck47]

To add color scoring

Offense
2014 37.8
2015 25.6
2016 27.7
2017 27.2
2018 38.5 (last thee games 33.7)

Defense
2014 26.2
2015 27.5
2016 25.7
2017 28.2
2018 31.8 (last three games 28.0)

Those last three games had some trash TD’s and some EXTREMELY short fields as well. Regardless, the offense isn’t something to really complain about and the defense seems to be improving.

 

[Longestday]

Duke scored 21 without the TD on the special teams fumble within the 5 yard line. (14 other points were scored on turnovers as well).
VT scored 28 real points (the last TD may have had some non-starters in... you could say 21 points)
UNC scored 21 points against the defense

If the defense can hold Miami to less than 21 points, I would like it...

 

[AE 87]

My stats adds all scores... @AE 87 is your stats defense only or all scores?

Only rushing and passing TDs and FGs, no run back scores nor safeties. All TDs count 7pts

 

[alentrekin]

Anyone feel like breaking out TM v TO on OPPD...

 

[Longestday]

TO is pretty far ahead of TM due to Clemson, Duke and Pitt play time. Those were low scoring games.