Harrison Butker's NFL Debut

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he missed the first one on purpose. Kareem Hunt fumbled on his first carry (on top of 0 fumbles his whole collegiate career) and since then is the leading rush. Butker saw the voodoo so he missed on purpose on try 1 and will be the best kicker in the nfl this year ;)
 
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After watching the Bucs Patriots game last night, if HB keeps it up, it won't matter if KC lets him go once their kicker gets healthy. HB is gonna get swooped up quick. There's like 3-5 teams that desperately need a consistent kicker, and if HB does what we know he can do, he's going to have a pretty good career for himself in the NFL.
 
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Slightly old news but it looks like Butker is one step closer to claiming the spot. The Chiefs waived Cairo Santos:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article176366391.html

Always a chance Santos will come back and I'm guessing it's because KC wanted the open IR spot but I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs stick with Butker, especially after Monday night. Younger player, good under pressure, and lower salary.
 
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Techster said:
After watching the Bucs Patriots game last night, if HB keeps it up, it won't matter if KC lets him go once their kicker gets healthy. HB is gonna get swooped up quick. There's like 3-5 teams that desperately need a consistent kicker, and if HB does what we know he can do, he's going to have a pretty good career for himself in the NFL.
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Im thinkin a nice little solid 20 year career
 
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Im thinkin a nice little solid 20 year career
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As close as NFL games are due to coaches at that level being so conservative, I have no clue why NFL teams are cheap with Kickers.

In 2016, the average FGs attempted per team was 1.97. That's a potential of a touchdown worth of points per game. What other position has that kind of impact on a game? You pay a WR 15+ million, and a RB 12+million a year to score less than that per game.

You have a good, proven kicker, then you need to lock him up. They're worth it.
 

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As close as NFL games are due to coaches at that level being so conservative, I have no clue why NFL teams are cheap with Kickers.

In 2016, the average FGs attempted per team was 1.97. That's a potential of a touchdown worth of points per game. What other position has that kind of impact on a game? You pay a WR 15+ million, and a RB 12+million a year to score less than that per game.

You have a good, proven kicker, then you need to lock him up. They're worth it.
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Well, after UGA Butker is my personal king of the mountain, and I hope he has a long and very profitable career, but maybe a step back and a deep breath is the RX for all of us. It is one game and one kick -- a big one, yes, but one kick -- and there is a reason he hasn't stuck, or the NFL thinks there is. (I grant you, the NFL makes the Tea Party look socialist in philosophy, but the coaches are paid to win and will be slow to be stupid.) They are cheap with them for the same reason colleges don't give scholarships for them, and if they do it is only for the very top of the crop. The rest they get by encouraging walk-ons with temptations of a scholarship if they work out. In other words, a tryout of a year or more. (Clemson, whose recruiting I think is the best in the ACC and maybe as good as Alabama nationally, now potentially has a kicking problem because their No. 1 guy got hurt. Know how they came to have him him? Dabo had a campus-wide tryout. You can't make this stuff up.)

But a major part of the reason they are slow to give scholarships to kickers is their utter unpredictability: from HS to college, from tee to grass, from fair sized D linemen to monsters ... The judgment on a kicker is always "Who knows?" Yes, the good ones are worth it. It's finding the good one that's the trick. (Didn't that really good one from FSU just get dropped by a pro team? But maybe it was his tackling.)
 

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Well, after UGA Butker is my personal king of the mountain, and I hope he has a long and very profitable career, but maybe a step back and a deep breath is the RX for all of us. It is one game and one kick -- a big one, yes, but one kick -- and there is a reason he hasn't stuck, or the NFL thinks there is. (I grant you, the NFL makes the Tea Party look socialist in philosophy, but the coaches are paid to win and will be slow to be stupid.) They are cheap with them for the same reason colleges don't give scholarships for them, and if they do it is only for the very top of the crop. The rest they get by encouraging walk-ons with temptations of a scholarship if they work out. In other words, a tryout of a year or more. (Clemson, whose recruiting I think is the best in the ACC and maybe as good as Alabama nationally, now potentially has a kicking problem because their No. 1 guy got hurt. Know how they came to have him him? Dabo had a campus-wide tryout. You can't make this stuff up.)

But a major part of the reason they are slow to give scholarships to kickers is their utter unpredictability: from HS to college, from tee to grass, from fair sized D linemen to monsters ... The judgment on a kicker is always "Who knows?" Yes, the good ones are worth it. It's finding the good one that's the trick. (Didn't that really good one from FSU just get dropped by a pro team? But maybe it was his tackling.)
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Aguayo is one of those hindsight is 20/20 type situations. Obviously he never should have been anywhere close to the 2nd round, but he was only 23/32 from 40+ yard field goals in college. Probably should have been a red flag. His never miss stat was just for sub 40 yard field goals

coincidentally, according to this article there were a few active NFL kickers before Aguayo's draft that were worse from 40+ in college and one of the guys was Nick Folk, the person who replaced him and went 0/3 against the Patriots last night.

https://www.bucsnation.com/2016/5/2...nsistent-from-40-yards-and-that-doesnt-matter
 
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You pay skill position players because they have the ability to completely change the game. Teams have to gameplan around them. Great recievers draw double coverage freeing up mistmatches and one on ones for your other players. Great corners allow you blitz more and bring a safety in. Great D-lineman allow you to bring pressure with your front 4. Kickers do nothing but kick. Whether they hit 100% of their kicks or 70% of their kicks, in the end it doesn’t change how you or your opponent play the game.
 
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Well, after UGA Butker is my personal king of the mountain, and I hope he has a long and very profitable career, but maybe a step back and a deep breath is the RX for all of us. It is one game and one kick -- a big one, yes, but one kick -- and there is a reason he hasn't stuck, or the NFL thinks there is. (I grant you, the NFL makes the Tea Party look socialist in philosophy, but the coaches are paid to win and will be slow to be stupid.) They are cheap with them for the same reason colleges don't give scholarships for them, and if they do it is only for the very top of the crop. The rest they get by encouraging walk-ons with temptations of a scholarship if they work out. In other words, a tryout of a year or more. (Clemson, whose recruiting I think is the best in the ACC and maybe as good as Alabama nationally, now potentially has a kicking problem because their No. 1 guy got hurt. Know how they came to have him him? Dabo had a campus-wide tryout. You can't make this stuff up.)

But a major part of the reason they are slow to give scholarships to kickers is their utter unpredictability: from HS to college, from tee to grass, from fair sized D linemen to monsters ... The judgment on a kicker is always "Who knows?" Yes, the good ones are worth it. It's finding the good one that's the trick. (Didn't that really good one from FSU just get dropped by a pro team? But maybe it was his tackling.)
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I wouldn't say "there is a reason he hasn't stuck" when it's his rookie year, and he was drafted by a team that didn't even have a need at K. He was in a legitimate competition with their established veteran kicker, lost a close battle (was carried on the roster through the beginning of the season as a backup, which is almost unheard of for a kicker), and was basically signed by another team and given the job almost immediately after being cut by Carolina. He seems to have done a pretty damn good job of "sticking" so far.
 

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I wouldn't say "there is a reason he hasn't stuck" when it's his rookie year, and he was drafted by a team that didn't even have a need at K. He was in a legitimate competition with their established veteran kicker, lost a close battle (was carried on the roster through the beginning of the season as a backup, which is almost unheard of for a kicker), and was basically signed by another team and given the job almost immediately after being cut by Carolina. He seems to have done a pretty damn good job of "sticking" so far.
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I don't disagree, but he was cut. Or put on the taxi squad and I don't follow pros enough to know the difference. But I do recall the Charlotte coach, in discussing him (before he was whatever), "He has a bionic leg, but ..." I guess he questioned accuracy but nobody followed up. Incidentally, there is a story and video in the KC Star today with Reid getting in a real plug for GT, including the "Ramblin Wreck" thing. I couldn't figure out how to link it, but you have to watch the whole video.
 
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